>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:46 AM
>To: Killer Bs Discussion
>Subject: Re: SpamAdaption
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> Nick, perhaps the solution is to use the technology to 
>"paint scarlet 
>> letters" on people who respond and buy goods via spam. These are the 
>> people that deserve scorn. Forget the spammers, fight the consumers!
>
>I couldn't disagree more.
>
>If I understood correctly, this sounded to me like justifying 
>spam because it's profitable and holding only the "users" 
>(people who buy) responsible.  To me, the same argument could 
>be made for selling heroin.  Setting aside the question of 
>whether or not these things should be illegal, I absolutely 
>believe that like the heroin dealer, the spammer's behavior is 
>grossly unethical.  I don't think that the two are very 
>different -- people can be addicted to spending.

I suppose that I am bothered by spam, but I cannot judge whether or not it
is unethical. You also do not address whether or not corporate America
participating in legitimate spamming practices are considered unethical. Is
it truly a question of intent, or the technique involved that determines its
ethicalness. It's a real fine line.
Its like porn, there are degrees in which porn becomes offensive to
everyone. Is it when spam becomes offensive that is unethical? Is it when
false information is provided in the Spam? 
You are very close to this issue, because you manage mail servers. What
seems like a barrage or attack that costs you time and money can be
frustrating and costly.   

>
>But perhaps we agree that passing laws against either one is 
>fairly useless, perhaps counter-productive.

Cool. How about a plan of multiple Spam nexus (nexi?) where registered
spammers can send mail to their recipients. People can then decide to reject
all spam if it does not come from a specific or registered nexus. 
But then who would voluntarily submit to accepting mail from a nexus? Who
wants to be sold? Like the insurance business, Insurance is sold not bought.
 There are no good solutions until the market decides to categorically
reject spam. I doubt this will happen, because as the interest in spam
wanes, the more honey will be added to the message to entice consumers. If
you support free markets, you have to accept spam as a legit way of doing
business. In the same way you cannot resist looking at the flashing
advertising road signs, you also can't resist spam. You and a lot of people
may feel its unethical, its obvious most don't, or at least they give it
little thought. Certainly raising awareness of the detrimental costs to
business may get a few people thinking.  Spam fuels trade in the technology
sector. There is little incentive right now to get rid of this scourge. Sure
it costs companies to shovel the shit up and out of the barn. It has to be
added to the cost of doing business. I consider many laws to be unethical,
but I am not doing a lot about it. I go about my business. I delete the spam
when I see it. I use mail services the filter most of it out. I live with it
and move along. It's the cost of doing business. 

I truly sympathize with your plight, and empathize with your anger toward
Spam. But the world is not ready yet collectively battle spam. By definition
in a free market, it probably creates more industrial wealth, than it costs.
Strange as that may be. Software has to be written to combat spam, servers
have to be bolstered against it, network bandwidth increased, people hired
to manage mail and the illnesses they contract, and so on.

So you can mark down my vote as undecided as to whether or not its
unethical. In the bigger picture it generates wealth. Then again, so does
heroin sales.  

Nerd From Hell
 






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