----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Acts of War


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Acts of War
>
>
> > On Dec 24, 2004, at 5:05 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
> >
> > >> Kerry didn't have enough principle to clearly vote against *or*
for
> > >> the
> > >> war. That was one of the things Duh-bya harped on: "Flip-flop!
> > >> Flip-flop!"
> > >
> > > Gulf War I, not Gulf War II was being referenced.
> >
> > Oh, *that* "that" war.
> >
>
> Right, since that was the war in which Iraq took territory.
>
> <quote>
>
> >I can only see it as strategic to Iraq if their purpose was to pull
the
> >West into the region in order to touch off a larger conflict.  If
it was
> >to actually try to expand their borders, they were nuts, a
possibility
> >that cannot be discounted!
>
> Nuts?
>
> If your man, John Kerry, had been President, the US wouldn't have
even
> attempted to stop him.
>
> <end quote>
>
> In another post you asked:
>
> >Precisely what part of that, Dan, is not conjecture? Or do you
believe
> >"assumption" to be different from "conjecture" in some fundamental
way?
>
> Pure conjecture is totally fabricated.  Reasonable assumptions, on
the
> other hand, often involve the use of logic, data, and reason.  For
example,
> if someone said they were opposed to a war and, when giving the
chance to
> vote for or against the war, voted against, one it is reasonable to
assume
> that person's actions and words reflecting their belief that the war
was a
> mistake.  Given the "lessons of Viet Nam" that were assumed at the
time,
> given Kerry's position on earlier wars, it seems reasonsble to
assume that
> Kerry was being intellectually honest in his opposition to the Gulf
War.
> It's always possible that President Kerry would have a different
view than
> Senator Kerry, but it's not pure conjecture to assume that a
person's
> word's and actions reflect their thoughts.
>
>

I'm more or less in the impure conjecture camp on this question.

What one does as a Senator or Congressperson is not identical or even
nearly the same as what one does as President. For one thing the sets
of priorities are differing (Frex: who are your constituents?), and
for another the set of informations you are being fed are often *very*
different.

Regardless of the amounts of fabrication involved, this kind of
conjecture is still pure fiction and that should never be forgotten.

xponent
Pass The Salt Maru
rob


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