----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: "God Is With Us" L3
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:58:03 -0600, Dan Minette > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:10 PM > > Subject: Re: "God Is With Us" L3 > > > > >> That wasn't the question. > > > > >It wasn't? > > > > Nope. If you want, I can quote the exchange, but it was the when you > > referred to "the lessons of Viet Nam." Gautam questioned your ability to > > determine something that has eluded a number of people who have been > > intensely studying the field. > > > > > When a foreign policy graduate student at MIT, > > > who received a degree in government from Harvard states that your point > > > differs from historians and political scientists who are studying the > > > period, then it is highly likely that you hold such an opinion. > <extensive snip> > > The lessons of Vietnam are far more universally accepted than Gautam > believes. There is a small dispute fueled by those with an agenda > that the Vietnam War does not reflect well on. Out of curiosity, how have you established this? I've heard all sorts of differning explainations for "the lessons of Viet Nam", many of them being at odds. Two of your sites represent, to me, reasonable contributions to the dialog....but not definitive works. The third, Chomskyin, has been fairly well discredited by his own writings, in my eyes. He insisted, for a long time, that the the US killed far more than Pot Pol, for example...and that they were doing as best they could undoing the damage by the US....he stayed with this line long after the evidence to the contrary was overwhelming. > Military lessons. > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/military/etc/lessons.html > > Political lessons (from the left) > http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/chomskyin1282.html > > The major article agreeing with Gautam (from 1985): > http://tinyurl.com/5c427 > (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19850301faessay8426/david-fromkin-james-chac e/vietnam-the-retrospect-what-are-the-lessons-of-vietnam.html?mode=print) > > Those whose idealogy prevents them from learning the lessons of > Vietnam are repeating the mistakes and making even larger ones in > Iraq. Thanks to the internet we can get a citizen's eye view of the > Iraq lessons as American policy converts a militant secular > dictatorship to a police state ruled by corrupt religious parties and > tribal sheikhs. > http://tinyurl.com/59rrq > > Gary D. > http://elemming2.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
