On Aug 11, 2004, at 1:41 PM, Davd Brin wrote:

My biggest example is the silent, unnoticed vanishing
of any programming language from personal computers.

I swear, I CANNOT GET A MACHINE WITH SIMPLE BASIC IN
ORDER TO TEACH IT TO MY SON!

It has taken 2 years, and I hope to get an old pentium
machine soon with DOS 6.2 and BASIC aboard, so I can
teach him the fundamentals of moving a dot via a
simple algorithm.  Silently, unnoticed, this has
happened and a new generation will be able to make web
pages and fancy Flash digitals... but without any
grasp of the line coding underneath.

Very disturbing.



Good 'ole BASIC has gone bye-bye -- there is Visual Basic of course, but it's certainly not for children.


There is a free GNU Java IDE that the writers claim to be good for teaching programming. Versions are available for Windoze, Linix and OSX

http://judo.sourceforge.net/

Haven't used it myself, but if it can really give kids a good foundation in Java, that would be a Good Thing, IMHO

Jim

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