> Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: "Deborah Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> A quick answer focusing on one point.
> > <wry> Then what do you make of the 1 Timothy
> > verses above? Was he having a bad day?
> Seriously, it is well established among serious
> scholars that Paul didn't
> write Timothy. It was written by one of his
> followers in his name.... <snip>
> So, what do we have for practice by the new
> followers of "The Way"? We
> have both acceptance of women as legitemate leaders
> and the statements that
> they must not lead. We can reasonably conclude that
> there was a variety of
> opinions and practices in the early church
> documented in the New Testiment.
> Thus, it seems reasonable for us to reapply basic
> principals of scripture
> to discern what God is calling us to do now. The
> statement that Paul
> highlights as fundamental, by his choice of words,
> guides me to understand
> that women are called to be pastors.
I agree with your conclusion WRT ordination, natch.
:)
> Another interesting point is that we see the
> acceptance of more sociatal
> norms as the church develops in time. Given that
> Paul clearly acknowledged
> leadership roles for women, and that the
> understanding of later times in
> scripture is mixed, and the understanding developed
> after the writing of
> scripture was less favorable to women; it makes
> sense to argue that the
> regulation of women to a secondary roll was not in
> response to fundamental
> principals preserved from the beginning, but a well
> documented retreat from radical principals.
Had Jesus truly been used as the role model, things
might have been quite different in the ensuing
centuries - for women, blacks, and others. Why some
must set themselves higher by denigrating the rest is
beyond me -- oh, it's part of our own 'pecking order'
drive to dominate, I acknowledge, but - speaking as
one who views herself as an alpha in many respects -
it costs little to allow others their own views...and
that tolerance pays off _big time_ when, as is
inevitable, at least some of "their" views turn out to
have merit!
Then there are the incontrovertible lessons that it
takes a team, every one of whom is necessary to
accomplish the task well, for many endeavors. Without
the proper work of stage and lighting crew, a prima
donna will fall flat on her face, in the dark. ':)
Debbi
Arrogantly Humble Maru ;)
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