Erik wrote.... 
> I want my liberties. Don't you go giving them away without my 
> permission.
> Erik Reuter   http://www.erikreuter.net/


OK, I know better than to post a non-specific remark like what I wrote
originally to this list.

The question of giving up liberties for safety is much like the question
of gun control or free speech. There *must* be reasonable limits for
everything - including freedom and liberty. IS doing a background check
when purchasing a gun infringing on someone's liberty? Actually yes it
is, BUT, that is a small liberty that is given up for the greater good
of protecting innocent people from a deranged lunatic purchasing a gun.
Would random checks of bags being carried by suspicious people in a
known targeted mall be infringing on someone's liberty. Yes it would,
but I would certainly support that - on a temporary basis.  


Rob wrote....

> I will tolerate inconvenience and hassles to provide for 
> safety and to preserve liberty. Liberty is to precious for 
> any individual or group to be allowed to dispense. Who do you 
> trust with your liberty?

There must be a balance between liberty and safety. Sometimes that
balance can temporarily tip one way or the other, depending on the
immediate situation.  Is there really a difference between
"inconvenience and hassles" and giving up some liberties *temporarily*
to ensure safety?  When every aircraft in the US was grounded on Sept
11th, wasn't that technically infringing on the liberty of the other
passengers? Or was that a temporary suspension of liberty for those
passengers to ensure the greater good of protecting others from similar
attacks?



Erik wrote....
> That's like saying you would pay all the money in a bank to 
> ransom a child from a kidnapper. Or saying that you would 
> trade the life of a child in North Dakota to save the life of 
> your child.


Would I pay all the money in a bank to ransom my children or sacrifice
someone else to save my children from imminent death?   Yes I would.
The instinct to protect ones children, at almost any cost, is as basic
as the instinct for survival.

Gary

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Conscientia non oboedientia honor est.
Honor is conscience, not obedience.










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