From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

>--- Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Yea, we cant have the horrible truth of war coming
>> out can we.
>> 
>> Andrew

>Well, the _truth_ of war includes all the people whose
>lives are saved and made better.  The truth of war is
>not the same thing as the costs of war.  So I'm
>comfortable with the truth of this war coming out.
>For all the bad that was done - and we're seeing the
>worst of it right now - there's no doubt that Iraq is
>a better place to live.

>Are you?

To be honest, I dont know.
I am sure, that,  if the full flower of western secular democracy
takes root in Iraq, it will be. For now I wait and hope.
 
If I felt clearer about what the true motivation of Bush and Co were for the invasion,
I may feel more confident. I dont want to distrust them, and I dont want it to go 
wrong.
But the reasons are not clear, and the moral basis for invading an independent nation 
uncertain.
Was it to do with terrorism? How, why, on what basis?
 
I feel that this lack of clarity as to why they are there feeds down to the people on 
the ground.
They are not drones, they are people risking their lives.  The lack of a simple moral 
basis,
which i feel stems from the rush with which Bush went into this war, not willing to 
wait for
the support of the only body we have for making these decisions, namely the UN, lies at
the heart of the problems in Iraq.
 
I still stand by my original postion on this war. 
You dont declare war and invade countries without absolute moral clarity.
It didn't exist, and that seems to becoming more and more obvious.
And if the leaders dont have it, you cant expect the troops too.
 
You dont start wars.  Its always a stupid thing to do.
 
Andrew
 
 
 
 
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