A message from Jeroens Brin-L.
I sadly note that John Doe never posted there before this message.
I don't suppose Mr Doe recognises how obvious and transparent the ploy
appears now.

xponent
High Visibility Maru
rob

PS...I won't be forwarding messages from there again. That would be
enabling.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Doe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:55 AM
Subject: Over on that other Brin-L...


> As Nick Arnett decided to unsubscribe me from that other Brin-L list
on
> charges of being Dutch and wanting to protect my privacy, allow me
to give
> you some information here. Feel free to forward my message to that
other
> list.
>
>
> >From: Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
> >Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:51:29 -0700
> >
> >Deborah Harrell wrote:
> >
> >>If your supposition is correct, I agree; people are
> >>capable of change, and should be allowed to
> >>demonstrate that.
> >
> >Certainly.  Elsewhere.
> >
> >Subscribing under a pseudonym doesn't demonstrate positive change
to me.
>
> This assumes that I am the same person as Jeroen van Baardwijk,
which Nick
> Arnett sofar has failed to prove. Apparently he's so paranoid that
he will
> throw out anyone who posts from The Netherlands and wishes to
protect his
> privacy. I think he should include a statement about that on his
website,
> something along the lines of "Due to list owner paranoia, residents
of The
> Netherlands are adviced not to subscribe to this mailing list unless
they
> wish to be subjected to a witch hunt by the list owner and be
removed if
> they refuse to provide proof of identity".
>
> I'ts gonna be real fun on that other Brin-L: every time a new
subscriber
> shows up, Nick's paranoia will raise its ugly head again because the
new guy
> might or might not be Jeroen. I suspect that any new subscriber
there will
> be viewed with extreme suspicion now, and be treated accordingly.
>
> >In a moderated message, "John Doe" says he's "holding off on
answering" my
> >direct question about his identify, so I'm going to assume that he
is the
> >person I suspected.
>
> In other words, any Dutch subscriber is automatically suspected of
being
> Jeroen, even though the only evidence in that direction is that
posts
> originate in The Netherlands and the poster has a posting style
similar to
> his (although the origin alone will probably be enough to be
considered a
> suspect and be preemptively removed).
>
> Now, what Nick Arnett *didn't* tell the list is *why* I said I'd be
holding
> off on answering his question. I wrote that I wanted him to answer a
few
> questions first. I forgot to tick the "Copy Message to Sent Folder"
when I
> sent that message, so I'll have to do this from memory, but IIRC I
asked
> him:
>
> 1. Are you going to hold a grudge against Jeroen forever? That's not
very
> mature, is it?
> 2. How can I be sure that you'll believe me if I say that I am not
the same
> person as Jeroen?
> 3. What would you do if I'd say that I am indeed Jeroen?
>
> The answers to the first and last questions will be blatantly
obvious...
>
> I think I also mentioned something about him being engaged in a
paranoid
> witch hunt. For the exact phrasing, ask Nick Arnett to forward that
post to
> the list.
>
> In short, Nick Arnett decided that nobody was allowed to see my
message
> because it contained some apparently awkward questions. Nick seems
to
> believe that transparancy and accountability are wonderful things,
as long
> as he can be exempted from them. It appears that he thinks the title
of
> "list owner" gives him the right to run the place like a dictator
and throw
> out anyone he personally dislikes or suspects of being a specific
person.
>
> He'll probably claim that he has done nothing wrong if and when you
confront
> him with it. But then, no dictator has ever been able to admit to
being
> wrong. Comes with the job, I guess...
>
> BTW, I sent Nick a message and gave him a chance to redeem himself.
> Unsurprisingly, he never replied.
>
> JD - For The Sake Of Transparancy And Accountability
>
> P.S. Apologies for misusing this mailing list for this. I now return
you to
> your regular discussions.
>
> P.P.S. This message is also sent to the people who, on the other
list,
> participated in the "discussion". To protect their privacy a bit,
they are
> BCC'd rather than CC'd.
>
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