At 10:08 PM 3/19/2004 +0100 John Doe wrote:
>> >>Again, there is nothing in current law in the United States that 
>>>>prevents
>> >>homosexual couples from publicly committing themselves to each other.
>> >
>> >Apparently there is, otherwise the whole discussion about gay marriage
>> >wouldn't have happened.
>>
>>One of my closest female friends married her girlfriend in a Unitarian
>>Church a couple years ago.
>>
>>The ceremony was a public commitment and was definitely not illegal.
>
>Good for them!
>
>Out of curiosity, where did they get married? And is this marriage 
>recognized by the State or the Federal Government?

They were married in a Unitarian Universalist Church.   No, this marriage
was not recognized by the State of Federal Government.   At the time,
however, I was responding to Debbi's characterization of my views that I am
opposed to homosexual couples being able to make a public commitment to
each other.   In response, I am noting that no such law prevents these
public commitments and that I do not support a law which would prevent such
public commitments.   In addition, I would like to note that this is
consistent with my viewpoints of my own situation, in which I consider
appearing before a judge to be a legal annoyance compared to the importance
of my (hopefully) future Church wedding someday.

>AFAIK, most States still don't allow/recognize gay marriage.
>
>Oh, and while you're at it, would you mind answering that other question I 
>asked you in that same message? I'd like to hear your views on this. (Maybe 
>you already shared those views earlier, but I only subscribed to this list a 
>few days ago.)

Sure....

>>The question, however, is whether our civilization will be undermined by:
>>1) incentivising homosexual unions
>>2) placing the homosexual union on an equal status with heterosexual
>>marriage as a building block of society, and
>>3) permitting homosexual couples to adopt or to artificially create 
>>children.
>
>In your opinion, would civilization be undermined by any of the above three? 
>I have yet to see any evidence that would support a "YES" as an answer to 
>any of those three points.

I presume that the above is the question you have in mind.   I'll send you
a copy of my post "Federal Marriage Amendment" which lays out my views on
the subject off-list, since I presume that you are fairly unique in your
situation of having just subscribed.

JDG
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               "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, 
               it is God's gift to humanity." - George W. Bush 1/29/03

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