----- Original Message ----- From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?
> > From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > At 09:35 PM 2/27/2004 +0000 Richard Baker wrote: > > >JDG said: > > > > > >> At any rate, I find it has hardly been established that there > somehow > > >> exists a universal "right" to marry a person of the same sex. > > > > > >If we start from the premise that men and women should have equal > > >rights, then it's obvious, isn't it? After all, women have the right > to > > >marry men, therefore men must have the right to marry men too. And > > >similarly, men have the right to marry women therefore women must also > > >have that right. Or do you think that men and women should not have > > >equal rights? (I suppose it could be argued that they should have > equal > > >but not *identical* rights, but that seems a dodgy position to me, > > >because there doesn't seem to be any way to determine the equality of > > >non-identical rights, and such a system would clearly be open to > abuse.) > > > > Bascially, what you are saying is that the Equal Rights Amendment would > > have required the institution of homosexual marriages. > > > > Thank goodness we voted that thing down. > > So now we have JDG bringing out the misogyny in addition to the > homophobia and the hate. When JDG's true bigoted colors show, they sure > aint pretty. > > ---- > > One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is > the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected. > ...[This] convention protects them, and so they proceed with their > blather unwhipped and almost unmolested, to the great damage of common > sense and common decency. that they should have this immunity is an > outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them > above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often > quite silly. Nor is there any visible intellectual dignity in > theologians. Few of them know anything that is worth knowing, and not > many of them are even honest. So you think freedom of speech should protect use of the word "fuck" but shouldn't protect the right of people to talk about their religious beliefs? And once again, you've used a quote, this time a rather long one, without crediting the author. The author, whoever he or she may be, has obviously made some value judgements about religion that agree with your beliefs but don't agree with the beliefs of many others here. I can post plenty of uncredited quotes that make absolutely the opposite value judgement. And one of the main points of the first amendment was to protect the ability of anyone to make any political or religious or social or artistic statement they want to. Reggie Bautista _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
