--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Julia wrote:
> 
> > I think he's arguing it on a courts vs. legislatures standpoint.
> >
> > Looking *just* at how court rulings went and how legislation was
> > written, which is it paralleling better at present?
> >
> 
> I know.  My point is that unlike the anti-choice crowd, the 
homophobic 
> crowd will dissipate over the years.  Especially as same sex 
marriage is 
> unlikely, IMO, to have any negative affect whatsoever whereas 
abortion has 
> the effect of terminating what some people consider a human life.
> 
> I have a few questions that I wonder if anyone here has the answers 
to.  
> What is the substantive difference between marriage and civil 
union?  If 
> they are for all intents and purposes synonymous other than the 
> same/opposite sex angle, will the effect of an amendment 
prohibiting same 
> sex marriage be that it in fact outlaws civil unions as well 
because they 
> _are_ synonymous.
> 
> If you do outlaw same sex marriage but allow same sex civil unions, 
what 
> keeps people from calling a civil union a marriage?  Are we going 
to have 
> marriage police arresting people for using improper terminology?
> 
> Here's the way I see it.  It is not illegal to love someone that is 
the 
> same sex as yourself and it does no harm to society to do so.  
Quite to 
> the contrary, I would think that the more solid, loving 
relationships a 
> society has, the better.  If it is not illegal then withholding a 
benefit 
> for one that you bestow on another _is_ illegal.   Equal 
protection.  If 
> we amend the constitution to outlaw same sex marriages, we will be 
> codifying bigotry (again.)
> 
> I think it's probably true that it is beneficial for a child to 
have both 
> male and female roll models, but I'd like to see the empirical 
evidence 
> that proves that children raised by same sex parents have more 
problems 
> than children in traditional relationships before making a judgment 
one 
> way or the other.  It's my guess that because the number of 
unwanted 
> children in same sex relationships is likely to be next to nil, 
that on 
> average, they will fare _better_ not worse than children in 
traditional 
> relationships.
> 
> Basically, I think that the more stable, loving relationships there 
are, 
> the better, and that whether you call them civil unions or 
marriages makes 
> no difference.
> 
> -- 
> Doug


Just out of curoiosity Doug, what opinion do you hold on marriages 
envolving more than one person?

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