> -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Coffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 1:57 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: the Hate Amendment compared to Gov't actions > Against Polygamy > > > I'm not religious, (not morman) and I know of many triples who live > very happily. I don't know of many quads who last long, they usualy > end up in smaller groups, but 3 does seem to be the magic number for > many. > > I take issue with the assumption that this is always sexist. What > about 2 males and one female? Is that sexist against men? After all > when it works it is usualy an equal kind of love in all directions. > (That means at least 2 are bi.) But I don't think that the mormans > are this way.
I have meet some people in a polig' arraingement of multiple men and women... While visiting their home, a young boy answered the door. I asked, "Can I speak with your dad?", the boy replied "Which one?" These situations are allways one man and many women, > and the women generaly do not have a kind of life-bond love for > eachother. So that is where the sexism comes in, but that doesn't > mean that all relationships envolving to women and one man are > structured that way. > > It is ammazing to me that in a country claiming to be free that these > types of conversations even still happen. Who or who-all, one decides > to fall in love with, raise a family with, bond for life with, should > be absolutly no concern of the state. > > Now I agree, everyone has their limit of understanding. I could not > see a marriage of 12 as having anything to do with love and bonding, > and life commitment. 12 is excessive for polig's. A man usually has up to 6 wives, adding one per generation (at 20, 40, 60, 80, and so on....) Multiply this, by say, an average of 6 children per wife, it adds up. Note that this man would have multigenerational children. It makes for a very flat Geneological tree. Maybe a residency scam... But who is to make the > decision? I wouldn't know how to look at an arangment of more than 4 > and understand if their was truely love and bonding there. And I am > mearly a sympathetic person in a 2 person bond. How would your > average social worker be able to look at a relationship of more than > 2 people and know whether or not it was real? Again, if a man at 60 has 3 wives, only one is producing children (generally). There is a heirarchy between the wives, formulated by the serialized basis for plural marriage. Generally, it is frowned upon for a man to sleep with more than one wife at a time (a criminal offense in some parts of Utah - especially if one of the wives is underage.) There are many examples of parallelized plural marriages within Arab communities. This is widely accepted in many arabic countries. Each wife is entitled to IDENTICALLY what the other wifes are entitled to (economically, at least). I am sure that there would be many arabic men that would take offense to your statement. Polygamy is really only found unacceptable within Western culture. > > So, simple, dont base residency, or any other problematic concern on > life bonding. Where does that leave Gay marriage? I think your point is made, that we humans do form bonds in other fashions other than the typical Man/Woman arraingement. It is unfair to say polygamy is acceptable, but gay marriage is not. Nerd From Hell > > Or even hetero mariage? > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <<http://www.nathannewman.org/log/archives/001538.shtml#001538>> > > > > ... > > The Historical Assault on Mormons: But the attacks on polygamy > should > > evoke a more historical American shudder that should make > conservatives > > think twice before equating their intolerance of gay marriage with > > intolerance for polygamy. ... > > A Slippery Slope: So in order to preserve marriage as that of "one > man > > with one woman", the US government systematically led a > criminal and > > economic assault on a religion and essentially at a point of a gun, > > forced them to recant a core part of their religious beliefs. ... > > > > ----- > > > > I Pledge Impertinence to the Flag-Waving of the Unindicted > > Co-Conspirators of America and to the Republicans for which I can't > > stand one Abomination, Underhanded Fraud > > Indefensible > > with Liberty and Justice Forget it. > > > > -Life in Hell (Matt Groening) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
