One can believe (as I do NOT) that a centralized autocratic 
government, possibly headed by a dictatorial leader, with economic 
and social regimentation is a good idea, without beleiving that 
anyone of a differnt race should die or be subjugated.

On can have been a patriotic German in 1938 and not desire the death 
of a single Jew.

Beides you can achieve the same faciest goveremnt while claiming to 
be for free markets, small government, national security, and family 
values. No raceism required.


--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Yipe!  WHo made you the conceptual blurring police,
> Jan?
> 
> Fact:  nearly all fascist regimes used us-vs-them
> demonization int order to create an imagined need to
> "all unify and work together."  That is what fascism
> MEANS.
> 
> It comes from the fasci symbol of ancient Rome,
> adopted by the first fascist, benito mussolini.  An
> axe blade held by a bundle of tightly bound sticks,
> each one fragile by itself but strong when united in
> uniform purpose.
> 
> The symbol is inherently about showing a strong united
> face to threatening outsiders.  Other nations?  SUre. 
> But they more often chose Communists and Jews. and
> other races... enemies within... because by demonizing
> them you got to not only strengthen the army but the
> interior ministry and secret police.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gautam Mukunda
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > Fool, let me suggest something.  Learn a tiny
> > little
> > > bit about a topic before you make comments like
> > this.
> > > > Because the world faced fascism once, and we
> > want to
> > > > prevent it from ever
> > > > happening again.
> > > 
> > > Yes, 6 million dead Jews is definitely the same
> > thing
> > > as Retirement Savings Accounts.  Do you have any
> > idea
> > > how stupid and offensive that sort of comparison
> > is?
> > > 
> > 
> > Sorry your crossing conceptual lines!....again.
> > 
> > Facism and Raceism are two completly seperate
> > things. Your comparison 
> > is the one that seems stupid, and actual quite
> > offensive.
> > 
> > You have associated facism with racism. It would be
> > equaly valid to 
> > make the same accociation of German Nationality and
> > Genocide.
> > 
> > As long as you insist on bluring your conceptiual
> > lines, I, and many 
> > others I am sure, have trouble taking anything you
> > say seriously.
> > 
> > And once again, I do know who you are, what your
> > credentials are, and 
> > that proves nothing to me, but that you are fully
> > aware of what you 
> > are doing.
> > 
> > This conceptual bluring is my bigest pet peve and I
> > will not let it 
> > stand when I see it. It's not really personal,,,
> > except that you keep 
> > doing it, and I keep pointing it out.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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