--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > None of which changes the central fact an iota. 
> FDR
> > got rid of Wallace and replaced him with Truman
> for
> > those very reasons.  NATO, the MArshall plan and
> all
> > of that were PUSHED BY DEMOCRATS (for the most
> part,
> > including the leadership) AND WERE OPPOSED BY THE
> > PRINCIPAL REPUBLICAN LEADERS OF THE DAY.
> > 
> > Go ahead and toss out all the exceptions you like.
> 
> > This is a general fact.
> 
> Prove it.  I have cited specific people and made
> specific arguments based on those specific people
> and
> their positions.  You've made general assertions
> without a single refernce or grounding.  Prove your
> above statement, or stop calling _me_ ignorant.

Gawd, just look at the declarations of Senator
Vandenberg!  Of the whole damn minority (and then
majority) leadership in the Senate and House!  At the
fact that Marshall had to fight like HELL for NATO and
the MArshall plan and help for Greece and Italy.

Jeez what do you want from me?

YOU are the one citing nothing.



> 
> > I have no idea what this means, but if you are
> > saying
> > what I think, then you are talking about Ike
> > dragging
> > the GOP into reluctant adherence to the Truman and
> > Marshall doctrines.
> 
> Again, prove it.  The most important Republican in
> the
> country is usually the President when he is a
> Republican.  You seem to be saying - when a
> Republican
> does something good, it was against the wishes of
> his
> party.  


Whaaaaa?  we were talking about Wilkie who was after
1940 excoriated banished denounced by almost his
entire party leadership for opposing Hitler so
strongly.


But when a Democrat does something good,
> that's immediate proof about the virtues of
> Democrats.
>  You have offered no evidence cther than your
> unsupported opinion

I appeal to the list.  This is an outright falsehood. 


I gave a list of accomplishments.  Nobody who knows a
thing about the 20th Century would have credited the
GOP with one of them.


I am out of here.  Please stop using Brin: on these
exchanges.  My wife just laid down the law and I shall
not continue this any further.

Thrive all of you...

and keep your ears open.  The next howls you'll hear
will come from liberals...  I have had my fill of
torching conservatives for the moment.


(But yes, EVERY damn traitor spy of the last 40 years.
 Every single one.....)

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