--- "John D. Giorgis" said
> In fairness, after bashing the left-right dichotomy,
> you then proceeded to
> launch into a fairly one-sided rant against
> conservatives and the
> Republican Party, which most people idenify
> synomously with the political
> "right."
You still refuse to even try to define conservative or
'right'. I refuse to engage that dichotomy, which is
utterly lobotomized.
I addressed the #$#$ Libertarian party as a keynoter,
I am starting my own software company and I have
spoken to billionaires about philanthropy. I have
berated liberals and leftists endlessly. Any attempt
to paint me in those colors only makes the painter a
fool.
My opposition to the current gopper leadership has
nothing to do with conservatism and everything to do
with a conspiratorial band of
kleptocratic/aristocratic thieves. No minute passes
when money isn't taken out of your grandchildrens
pockets and put into the moths of their children to
make them lords over us all.
Yawn, it is EXACTLY the thing ruling cliques have
tried to do for 6,000 years. The burden of proof is
on you to find other explanations for the behavior we
see.
> For example.....
>
> >But in fact, I do have one 'standard' political
> >opinion. That the current GOP is dominated by
> >kleptocratic frat boys with NO other agenda but
> >stealing 4 TRILLION DOLLARS from our
> grandchildren.
>
> You should probably amed that statement since most
> people would not
> consider the "current" GOP as going back to the time
> of Hoover.
yadda
> Nevertheless, unless you believe that there are
> conservatives in the
> Democratic Party, most people interpret your bashing
> of the GOP as a
> bashing of the political "right" in general.
You utterly wipe out of your consciousness things that
don't jibe.
Like the fact that moderate democrats do ALL of the
pro-market reforming. 6 out of 7 deregulated
industries, for example. Well, 5 and a half. The
Reaganites finished writing the banking regulations
after Carter left office, then proceeded to steal/loot
half of america's savings and loans. (Ah, Neil Bush.)
What do you DO about the fact that govt paperwork
declined under one man, Al Gore? What do you do?
Wipe it from your mind.
>
> >You will find NO policy of theirs that violates
> this
> >fundamental principle. Not one.
>
> No Child Left Behind
> Faith-Based Initiatives
> AIDS Fund
> Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
> Promotion of Abstinence-Based Education
> School Vouchers for DC
Gah! platitudes and fig leaves. You actually,
actually, actually can say all this with a straight
face?
Well, the Aids fund. There are some faith based
conservative groups that got very embarrassed and have
pushed for real charity work in africa.
>
> To just use examples of policies promulgated by the
> current administration.
>
> >Oooooooooh. School VOUCHERS! Wow! BIG IDEA!
> Huge!
> >How magnificent. Why, it makes all of the
> following
> >ideas pale in comparison.
> >
> >
> >Containing communism
> >public universities
> >medical research
> >exploring space
> >exploring the oceans
> >saving the bald eagle and other endangered species
> >increasing basic literacy from 15% to 95% and
> college
> >attendance from 2% to nearly 50%
> >rural electrification
> >fiber optics
> >opposing fascism and defeating Hitler
> >promoting democracy overseas
> >antitrust rules to encourage market competition
> >supporting Israel
> >civil rights
> >bringing women into echelons of power
> >ensuring that all children go to school
> >freedom of information & sunshine laws
> >letting citizens view their own credit records
> >the Internet
> >increasing the number of engineers, doctors and
> >scientists 1000 fold
> >social security
> >reducing or eliminating the lock on power and
> justice
> >that local gentry had in every village, from the
> dawn
> >of civilization
> >nuclear power, solar power, modern wind and
> geothermal
> >power
> >professionalizing the police
> >resisting Japanese imperial ambitions before &
> during
> >WWII
> >lifting both our allies & enemies back up after war
> >NATO
> >
> >
> >Yup. Those were pretty lame things... because
> every
> >single one of them arose out of Democratic
> >administrations.
>
> I hate to say this Dr. Brin, but it at least appears
> arguable to me that
> you are engaging in some "Golden Age" thinking
> above. All of the above
> ideas are at least 10 years old, and most of them
> are nearly 40 or more
> years old.
Zoweeeee! These things made the 20th century,
transforming it from hell to hope. These things made
YOU. Because of them we live free from communism &
fascism and every gopper has a picture of Martin
Luther King on his wall, despite having called him a
commie.
Excuse me, but TRACK RECORD means something.
Anyway, I did not pose that list in order to praise
democrats but to show a list of things that GOP
VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED! And that's nearly everything on
that list.
Part of ideas my #$##$#
Where are the big ideas from the
> Democratic Party today? I
> presented specific examples of innovative ideas to
> the central problems of
> national defense, health care, pension solvency,
> education, and air
> pollution that are affecting our civilization today.
Ah, pollution. This from an apologists for the guys
who first called 'global warming" a commie plot, then
a lie, then a fantasy, then "unproved".
"We need more science," they say. Then they BLATANTLY
reduce the budget for every study that might find out
the truth about climate.
I clip for you the following:
12:00 THURSDAY, 5 FEB. 2004 280
SERF
CALSPACE SEMINAR
Buzz Bernstein/
NASA's Mission to Planet Earth: Mission
Accomplished?
Abstract: For the past two decades, operating under
a succession of
programmatic names, NASA has attempted to maintain an
ongoing focus
on earth science, with a mix of short and long
duration remote sensing
observations of the home planet. Most of these
observational programs
have been transitioned over to other organizations
(including agencies
within the U.S. government, foreign governments, and
in a few instances,
private companies). Now, those NASA programs that
remain intact are
under increased scrutiny and budgetary pressure, all
the more so now
that the President has announced NASA's new focus on
robotic and human
exploration leading to the Moon, Mars, and beyond.
Is NASA about to declare
victory in earth-directed satellite observations, and
hand off its traditional charter
in that arena to others? Or has that already happened?
Evidence and examples
by the speaker will hopefully lead to a lively
discussion.
The irony being that, while the eco-puppets declare
the 'jury out' on global warming, the US NAVY is
finalizing plans for an Ice Free Arctic.
> I can say with a
> lot of confidence that the central core of the
> solutions being proferred by
> Democrats to the above five problems are simply to
> spend more money on them
> with little-to-no innovation.
I am glad you speak with such confidence.
In fact, the best of them have no idea where to get
any money for 'programs'. Their chief goal now,
desperate, is to simply restore decent govt. That
means balancing the budget and stopping stealing from
our kids.
Seriously, name for me the giant programs that
moderate dems of the DLC have proposed! I dare you.
Even conceding your
> above list (and I do
> find some of the items, like exploring space, to be
> rather specious - the
> Republicans surely would have done the same thing
> had they been in power)
IKE was in [EMAIL PROTECTED]@# power!!!!
> they so far seem to represent merely a "Golden Age"
> of the Democratic
> Party, and do not seem to contradict my central
> point that
> agree-or-disagree the Republicans are at least
> coming up with creative
> solutions to tackle our fundamental problems, and
> the Democrats simply want
> to tax, spend, and regulate.
A ditzy mantra, again, ignoring the fact that
democrats have LATELY (you wanted recent?) been the
only ones to balance the budget and have ALWAYS been
the only ones to deregulate.
Your matra is a tissue of fabricated buzz words,
utterly meaningless. But please, enjoy it.
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