--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 10:55 PM 1/5/2004, you wrote:
> >Jan Coffey wrote:
> >
> > > The Sugarboal. (Why do they call it a boal?) OU looked like they
> > > didn't care, but then the LSU defence was rolling over them.
> >
> >In answer to the question, I think because various stadiums were 
called
> >"bowls" or something.  If anyone has a better answer, I'd be 
interested
> >in it.
> 
> Yes, that's mostly right. The football game played after the Rose 
> festival/parade was first. There was a game in 1902, 

That game was a Rugby Football game BTW.

>then the next one in 
> 1916. 

The same for this game. Even though much of the football played at 
that time had added the forward pass, and even though a couple of 
years earlier the Scrummage had been slightly altered, and happened 
more often, the game in 1916 was still essentially Rugby.
 
> I can understand the arguments against football, but to me it seems 
like 
> nothing is happening in rugby or soccer most of the time. I would 
never say 
> I'm an expert, but I've watched enough to form my opinion.

That's very strange that you would say so Kevin. In comparison the 
vast majority of the time from the beginning to the end of a football 
(grid-iron) game is not spent actually playing.

I will agree that Soccer lacks structure, and that scoring happens so 
infrequently that for many it is hard to stay interested. For the 
spectator, it is in many ways the opposite of Basketball where, for 
some, scoring actually happens too frequently. 

In Soccer some spectators get the sense that nothing is happening 
because the field position is less about which end of the pitch the 
ball is on, or who is controlling the ball. These are factors, but 
the overall structure of where on the field players are located and 
how they are repositioning is actually more important. That's why 
televised Soccer tends to be shot from a much wider angle.

But how can you compare Rugby to Grid-Iron Football and say that 
nothing is happening. Rugby is constant action. The ball seldom dies. 
And when it does there is variety in the way that it is restarted. 

Unlike in Grid-Iron where the Ruck and the Scrummage (and line out 
actually) have been combined as the line of scrimmage. Every time the 
ball would have been contested in a Ruck play stops, everyone takes a 
break, the coach comes in to command the next move, the players line 
up again for another ruck-scrummage, and only then does play 
continue. After 4 of these without a 10 yard progression, a side is 
forced to turn over the ball.

In Rugby when a player is going to be tackled they can pass the ball 
back to a teammate and the action continues. When a player is tackled 
they must release the ball and it is contested in a Ruck and play 
continues. 

Of course you might have gotten the idea that nothing is happening 
from watching "Rugby League" Which is kind of a split between Grid-
Iron and Rugby. "Rugby League" is very similar to American Football 
in the 1910s and 20s without the forward pass. I agree Rugby League 
without the forward pass is less interesting to watch than Grid-Iron.

There are 6 downs in Leage with a sudo-ruck formed each time a tackle 
happens, and no yardage requirement. Scrums don't exist, and 
unfortunately most of what a spectator sees is the backs catching and 
re-kicking the ball to the other side of the field. Sometimes it 
almost looks like a bizarre tennis match played with an American 
Football. There are actually 8 League teams in the US, all in eastern 
states. There is quite a bit of talk rumored by this League to give 
up the "League" rules in favor of "Union" (the real Rugby) Laws. 






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