--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I do think that without serious citizen oversight,
> > the Ashcroft Justice Dept. would (or will) make a
> > mockery
> > of the Constitution.  If people don't make noise
> > about it, we will lose some of our civil rights
and
> > freedom
> > (some will say that we already have... [no cite as
> > these have been discussed on-list alrady]).
> > 
> > Debbi
> 
> If John Ashcroft were anyone _but_ an evangelical
> Christian (speaking as a non-evangelical
> non-Christian) the way he is treated by the Left
> would
> be recognized by everyone for what it is - sheer
> religious bigotry of the most unvarnished sort.

First, *I* am not "Left" - I've discussed my views on
the death penalty and gun ownership here before, not
to mention what would happen to proven child molesters
if I were in control.  My views on personal
responsibility frex in health matters have also been
spelled out.  If you want to call me a liberal with
significant libertarian leanings but with conflicting
militarism - well, that would be closer to reality,
but still missing a lot.  

Second, he could worship Pan or Bacchus for all I
care, but if he started to insist that we must drink
to inebriation every Saturday night, I'd find that
offensive, not to mention dangerous.  What has been
eroded under his watch includes the right to know what
one is accused of, to have a lawyer, and not to be
held indefinitely 'in limbo.' (See prior multiple list
postings with articles re: these and other justice
issues.) Not sure how that relates to his religion,
unless you're referring to the previously-raised
concerns about the erosion of the separation of church
and state...which I have commented upon unfavorably.

I consider myself extremely religiously tolerant,
having good friends of various beliefs, from devout
Catholic to Lutheran to Southern Baptist to Jewish to
Hindu to Wiccan to atheist.  But I will not tolerate
anyone trying to *impose* their beliefs on me, or
infringe upon my right to believe as I choose.

Debbi

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