> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:06 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys
... > >How is is their opposition to war sacrificing those organizations? > >Certainly they are more fragile, but threatened with non-existence??? > >France is not alone in its opposition; Russian and China clearly are with > >them. > > Russia and China probably would not veto this were it not for France. That seems rather speculative. Have they said anything like that? > >Certainly they could, but do we know that this is the time? Pardon me if > >this is hyperbole, but similarly, you *could* stand aside and > start planning > >for abortion to remain legal? > > Actually, yes. I have many times considered how I would handle the > abortion issue, were I to be elected President - and a majority still > plainly supported some form of legalized abortion. I have a lot of ideas > as to what I woudl do.... but I would not sacrifice my Party nor my > Presidency, on the altar of my obstinancy to try and overturn the legality > of abortion - which is probably inevitable (in the short run) anyways. Good for you, then. (Seriously.) > Well, what I should have said is that the source of Al-Qaeda is Saudi > Arabia, and more directly, our support of oppression in Saudi > Arabia. Our > support of oppression in the first four above conutries probably did not > result in terrorism due to the overarching Cold War and the lack > of support > for terrorism in those cultures at the time. In Latin America, the justification for our support of oppressive regimes was always anti-communism. Cause-and-effect become confusingly circular in such situations, however. I have no doubt that people who didn't even know what communism was were being branded communists by those who sought U.S. aid. That's another part of the world where I've spent enough time to understand what was going on. > >> TotalFinaElf has a $40billion oil contract signed with Saddam Hussein. > >> The phrase "No Blood for Oil", couldn't be a more accurate > description of > >> the oppression in Iraq being wholeheartedly support by the French > >> government. > > > >Wholehearted support??? Surely you don't mean that. Hyperbole, right? > > I stand by that statement. > > If you have a single bit of evidence that France supports regime change in > Iraq, I'd love to see it. Chirac is being quoted quite a bit as saying that disarmament will bring about the necessary regime change in Iraq. I don't see any support for Saddam H. in his words. He seems to be entirely comfortable with the idea that there must be a change. He has even said that the Iraqis are failing to cooperate *enough* with inspectors, and that he would support war if they were not cooperating at all. No way does this add up to support for the current regime, much less support for "the oppression in Iraq." Nick _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
