--- Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <snipped a lot> 
> > 2. Being ruled by Saddam Hussein is not, in fact,
> > good for the people of Iraq
> > And protesting the war is protesting to keep
> Saddam
> > Hussein in power.  There isn't a middle ground
> > alternative.  It does not exist.  The war happens
> > and Hussein is overthrown, or it does not and he
> is
> >not.
> > 
> > No third choice.
> 
> But there is a subset of the "war" option:
> essentially
> unilateral US war, or UN-sanctioned military
> action/war
> (with the US of course being the major player).  I
> think I already wrote this, so apologies if a
> repeat:
> all of the people I know who are against unilateral
> US
> action (well, unless a 'smoking gun' showed Saddam
> connected with the Tower bombing) support
> UN-sanctioned action.  Reasons include physical
> support by other nations for rebuilding Iraq, and
> the
> appearance of a 'world decision' rather than 'US
> bullying.'
> 
> Debbi

But there isn't an alternative.  Saying it doesn't
make it so.  The UN is not going to support a war -
or, more accurately, _the only circumstance_ in which
it will is if the US makes it clear that, with or
without UN approval, the war is going to happen. 
There can't be any doubt about this.  For the last 12
years not only has the UN done nothing, but two
Permanent Members of the UN Security Council (France
and Russia) have continually done everything they can
to water down the sanctions regime and free Hussein of
all constraints.  No one disputes that.  So saying
UN-sanctioned military action is an alternative is
simply not true.  UN-sanctioned military action is
even a possibility only because the Bush
Administration has made it clear that it will, with or
without UN approval, do this.  So if that's what you
want, then you've been protesting the only thing that
might possibly bring it about.  Even _with_ that, it's
unlikely that the UNSC will actually pass an _18th_
resolution condemning Iraq.  In which case, what?  Sit
on our hands because the French governments wants it
that way?  I mean, the idea that a country with
France's record even has a say in this sort of thing
would be a joke if it weren't so tragic.  So, in the
world of the possible, what is the alternative?

Gautam

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