At 07:50 PM 3/3/03 +0000, Paul Walker wrote:
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:36:51AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:

> I was, to some extent, baiting Jeroen to prove a point.  Where were these
> people a year ago?  Two years ago?  Five?  Where was their concern for the

Where were the people now strongly pushing towards war that time ago? Trying
to play the moral card is fraught with problems, not least because *nobody
on either side* really cared until Shrub and Blair dragged it up again.



However, we are talking about a non-linear process which had a cusp about 1.5 years ago . . .




Note that I'm not saying that's a *good* thing, but it is the case. The
people now strongly in favour of war didn't think twice about the Iraqi
people two years ago; trying to sell the war on that front is slightly
dishonest, IMO.



Again, the perception of the American people changed significantly between 10 Sep 2001 and 12 Sep 2001.




> In this particular case, it is striking that the ANSWER marches and
> rallies are so large, and that the people in them vigorously applaud the
> vilest anti-semitic and anti-American slurs.  Doesn't this tell us

Where on earth did anti-jewishness come into it? Which slurs are these that
you're talking about? (Specific examples would be good...)



Many people have said that if the US would just quit supporting Israel, then the Arab world would stop hating us and stop attacking us.




-- Ronn! :)

Almighty Ruler of the all,
Whose Power extends to great and small,
Who guides the stars with steadfast law,
Whose least creation fills with awe,
O grant thy mercy and thy grace,
To those who venture into space.

(Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn)


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