> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 04:11 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance' > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:33 PM > Subject: RE: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance' > > > > > > While doing so, I also eagerly await the evidence of > > how you were so concerned with the people of Iraq for > > the last 20 years or so. Also, unless you believe > > that a million Iraqi civilians will die in the war - > > and if you believe that, you're a fool, which I think > > is not true - explain how as many Iraqis will die in > > the war as will continue to die under Saddam? > > >What a strawman - accuse him of racism and then answer his protests > against such argumentative slander > >with this? > > Its not actually a strawman > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23009-2003Feb17.html > > gives a fairly balanced appraisal of the problem.
Irregardless of the validity, I don't believe its a fair thing to label someone and then ignore their complaint by calling said protestation a symptom. > >> If people like you had run Europe in the 1930s - well, > >> we know the answer to that question, right, because > >> people like you _did_. For a continent so obsessed > >> with its history, y'all show an astonishing ability to > >> not learn from it. > > >Time out. Calling Jereon a Nazi is (or should be) offensive to > >everyone. > This is WAY out of bounds. > > To the best of my knowledge, he is being called another > Chamberlin, not another Hitler. Not how I read it, but I can see that perspective. Still not polite or terribly IAAMOAC. :( > > That puppet German government, the way it always does > > exactly what we say - that's so convenient, isn't it? > > Out of curiosity, what happened to the puppet > > governments we set up in France, Germany, and Italy? > > >I fail to see the connection, since the US /has/ maintained a huge > military presence in Europe since WW2, and >Jereon was not > speaking towards Europe, to boot. > > Where are the puppet governments of Europe after we won > control of Western Europe in WWII? I never said there were any :) > >The ludicrous point is that people are upset that this IS > about oil. > >Damn > right, protecting the price of oil is a >huge part of our > foreign policy, and it SHOULD be. > > No hard feelings, but that's just wrong. Iraq has always > been willing to supply oil. The only thing driving prices > way up is uncertainty. The only way this fight is about oil > is that it would be a very bad thing if Hussein controlled > all the Mid-East oil. Otherwise, all the US needs are > suppliers motivated by self interest. > > When the sactions were sorta lifted in the mid-90s, Hussein > sold 3 million gallons a day. So, how is this about oil? When we announce that a big part of our military plan is to seize and control oil fields for the next 5-10 years, and to let the country evolve its own leadership for the next 2-4 years, when one of our strategic goals is the destabilization of Saudi Arabia, when the only reason we care about these otherwise resource poor countries is the oil fields.. how is that /not/ about oil at its very core? > >Of course, it SHOULD be counterbalanced by non-military means of > projecting power, and a domestic policy >that promoted > finding alternatives and reducing dependance on volitle > foreign oil, but gosh.. > > I agree we should promote nuclear power. :-) ...and geothermal. I want to sit on top of a lava tube :) -j- _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
