--- Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm curious about the accusation of racism and
> bigotry.  If 'not fighting to free Iraqis' is
> racist,
> then what is ignoring the torture and killings going
> on in Sudan and Zimbabwe?  Is there justification
> for
> calling intervention in the Balkans but not Rwanda a
> racist policy?  
> 
> If the argument is that the Balkans and Iraq are
> economically and strategically important to the US,
> but Africa is not, could that be interpreted as
> racist?
> 
> <<5] Presumption - arrogance is expected in anyone
> > who excels, but to
> > dismiss all who do not hold your views as
> > weak-minded or stupid is excessive.>>
>  
> Thread Crossover Maru

I don't think "not fighting to free Iraqis" is racist.
 That's a legitimate position - it's not one I happen
to agree with but hey, there you go.  But what I saw
in the protests wasn't that - it was a lot of people
arguing that the people of Iraq don't want to be free.
 That Arabs don't want to live in a democracy - that's
always a good one.  Now that is.  As to your second
question - no, I don't think so.  There's a quick
rule-of-thumb test I use for the morality of American
foreign policy.  It's not the be all and end all -
it's a first order approximation.

1. Is this in the American national interest?
2. Is this action also good for the average people of
the countries involved?

If yes on both, then you're good to go.  If yes on the
2nd and no on the first, then I think you're a lot
more limited, but that's not illegitimate.  We can't
do _everything_.  That's impossible.  Given that, it
isn't just moral to limit your actions to those that
are also good for the United States, I would argue
that it is actually immoral to do otherwise, because
there is a moral obligation upon the government of the
United States to pursue the interests of the US - and
the same for other countries, of course.

My objections to (in this case) the morality of French
and German actions is twofold - first, I think that
they are misunderstanding their interests, but second,
and equally important, they are clearly uninterested
in what is good for the people of Iraq.  The logical
consequence of their position is to leave Saddam
Hussein in power - the worst of all possible outcomes
for the people of Iraq - and this doesn't seem to
concern them at all.  That's why I believe that what
they are doing is not only unwise, it's immoral.

Gautam

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