----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: cars, air L3er


> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 12:02:21PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > >From what I've read in Physics Today, it is going to be very hard to
> >
> > squeeze out added efficiencies.  Everything that I see indicates
> > that we need to do a lot of fundamental research before there is a
> > breakthrough.  So, money should be spent on basic solid state physics,
> > not applications of present technology, IMHO.
>
> What about rural areas and developing countries?

I think remote, not rural is where the break even is.  From
http://www.go-solar.com/Pvinsolation.html
I got the average sun hours as 4.8/day. If you factor in the fact that the
cells rarely operate at peak efficiency, you are talking close to 4 kwH
production per day for a $10,000 unit.  If we assume an 8% interest rate,
and 20 years amatorization, we are talking about $1020/year in costs.
Plus, there will be maintenance costs, so I'd put the yearly cost at
$1300/year.  This is for a system that produces 1460 kWh/year.  That comes
to just over $1.00/kWh.

There are locations where this works out, but they are remote, not just
rural.  There is some limited use in developing countries, but this is a
very high price for power.  My "daughter"'s family is on the grid in
Zambia, I know that.

Dan M.

Might it not be
> worthwhile to spend money on solar applications for those areas, since
> you aren't competing with the grid, you are competing with the costs to
> BUILD a grid, which makes solar look much more competitive.


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