"J. van Baardwijk" wrote:

> As for your criticism of certain members of the UNSC: the
> United States itself does not exactly have a spotless record
> either, so maybe you should worry about your own country's
> behaviour first, before complaining about the behaviour of
> other members. The US is no stranger to violation of human
> rights, and has on several occassions abused its veto power
> to get in the way of the international community.

Granted, the US is not perfect, but do you honestly believe
that we are as bad as the countries John mentioned?

> The UN has not been a "completely discredited body". I know
> that *you* have a dislike for the UN, but apparently most
> countries do not. If they did, why would they insist on UN
> support for actions against Iraq? It makes no sense for
> them to want approval from an organisation they consider
> "discredited".

Perhaps they care more about scoring a small victory against
the US than they care about our security. They can score that
victory by vetoing the UN Resolution giving us permission to
invade Iraq. So, the UN could be discredited as an active
body that can do more than the League of Nations debating
society, but they could still use the UN to score that victory
against the US.
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