Hi Andreas, @! On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:18 AM kainz.a <kain...@gmail.com> wrote:
> .. > As I wrote, community edition is fine for me. Fun Project, Fantastic > People will be something like a backup which describes the LibreOffice > community and can be from my point of view a bit more motivated to donate > or use an enterprise release (for companies). > Thanks for sharing this amazing concept in some past email! Let me suggest my cents (instead 'LibreOffice Community Edition') based on it: 'LibreOffice for People'. Best! Gustavo. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:46 PM kainz.a <kain...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank Thorston > > I think the discussion was well and we have now something we can work with. > > LibreOffice Community Edition > > If we wait for another 6 months nothing will happen. Only the spirit will > go away and the community need a clear message how future will be. > > Design proposals can be done until next week meeting on 17.07. for > LibreOffice and also for the webpage if we have a go for LibreOffice > Community Edition. So that in the meeting you can vote for something to > implement. > > So please give feedback in the design irc what are the guidelines. > > Cheers > Andreas_k > > Michael Meeks <michael.me...@collabora.com> schrieb am Fr., 10. Juli > 2020, 16:27: > >> >> >> On 10/07/2020 11:12, Florian Effenberger wrote: >> > With all the feedback received, I strongly propose to leave 7.0 without >> > tagging and finalize the plan for a later release. >> >> I share Thorsten's view. While I've generally been a big >> proponent of >> getting everything nailed down in one try, I would strongly prefer to >> get a weaker solution "Community Edition" out which seems to be >> collecting a weight of support against Personal. That support arriving >> even before we had a clear write-up of the issues we want to solve. >> Perhaps we can iterate it based on feedback, we at least generate some >> hard data on its effectiveness. >> >> I would also really like to avoid stalling effective improvements >> to >> our website to encourage enterprises to support the project. The >> improvements there to date have been really small and incremental, and >> as we now know ineffective. >> >> > I know there are concerns this would delay things >> > infinitely and nothing will happen, >> >> Ultimately, we're getting press, and interest, and relevance, and >> feedback from the community: integrating that into something better >> while people are interested sounds good to me. I'm sure marketing can >> turn that into a success story. >> >> It is now widely known that the status-quo is working >> extraordinarily >> poorly. Rather than accepting and extending that for six months - I'd >> prefer to use the momentum to encourage at least some improvement. >> >> > The name “Personal” excludes even small educational organizations, which >> > are a part as per slide 29. It also excludes small NGOs - thinking of >> > the local street worker office with two volunteers, or the youth care >> ... >> > but still, I think “Personal” sets the frame too strict. >> ...> Also, if we go to universities for the budgeted campus ambassador >> > program, with the above wording, even using in smaller working groups >> ... >> > I know the plan is to draw a line somewhere, but the above, at least for >> > a non-native speaker, feels quite narrow. >> >> I really don't think we want to discourage contributing to >> LibreOffice. >> That's why it's important we get our marketing right. >> >> However carving out Education, Universities, NGOs, youth care - as >> markets which should not support the project financially is really >> unhelpful. >> >> It is hard to predict the future, and the best predictions are >> sold to >> people rather than being free but checkout: >> >> https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/collaboration-software-market >> >> This has a pretty pie-chart in it "Canada Collaboration Software >> Market >> share by Application 2026": >> >> >> https://www.gminsights.com/assets/img/collaboration-software-market-by-application.png >> >> Education is approaching 25% of that. >> >> In recent time, Education has been a bright point for actually >> contributing to the ecosystem. >> >> As one example - we can now build and run on iOS and tablets >> because of >> a single education area in Switzerland - as well as a big chunk of >> Adfinis and Collabora's investment. Perhaps a good thing we didn't tell >> them that they don't have to contribute or get support. >> >> Education sales has helped to fuel a similarly significant chunk >> of >> C'bras development team via sales in lockdown. >> >> It is quite unclear to me why some segments that pay for a premis, >> heating, lighting, hardware, sysadmin time, network bandwidth, >> deployment, a Windows OS ;-) and more should not be encouraged to >> contribute to LibreOffice's growth. >> >> For our friends, we can sooth their conscience and tell them that >> using >> the Personal or Community version is just fine for them, and that we >> contribute for them - or whatever =) that's easy to do personally >> surely? That means we can help our friends and neighbours while not >> killing the market for whole segments. >> >> > What we want to do is to very strongly encourage them, convince them, >> > make things clear to them, because the project can only survive if there >> > is sufficient funding, and the ecosystem is one of several key >> > parameters for the success of TDF - we wouldn't be where we are without >> > all of you, all of the community. >> >> Thanks for those words. >> >> > I find it much easier to celebrate things with a positive message than >> >> Problem is; this celebration party is great - but currently has >> nearly >> zero attendees =) The hosts are tapping their watches and wondering if >> they even bothered to send an invitation out =) >> >> I would really like to see some messaging that we can show is >> effective. >> >> > TDF is no different in this regard! We ourselves, we use lots of free >> > software as an organization - be it for web, database, file services, >> > mail, chat, conferencing and other servers. We have the skills in-house >> > and we often rely on pre-compiled binaries from free software projects. >> > We do contribute back e.g. by supporting upstream development, doing >> > advocacy and working together on a common goal. >> >> I think this is generally acceptable in the society of FLOSS >> projects >> because we contribute very heavily ourselves. >> >> We don't spend our time complaining about Nextcloud mailing the >> sysadmins of larger users' to suggest paying for support though =) or >> for Ubuntu having a 'Pricing' button on its front-page or ... ;-) Most >> of these other projects are doing the hard (but much easier) >> corporate-owned FLOSS project branding thing. >> >> We show their brands rather regularly to our users - contributing >> at >> least that value to them. >> >> The brands we don't effectively show are from those of our >> ecosystem >> that contribute to LibreOffice ;-) >> >> > In the end, I trust the marketing team, I trust the board, I trust the >> > community - and I’m sure our collective wisdom will bring up what is >> > best for the project. >> >> That is a positive view. >> >> ATB, >> >> Michael. >> >> -- >> michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity >> Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks >> (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >> board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: >> https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> >> -- Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco, member of the Membership Committee The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint My local Time: UTC-03:00 / CET-04:00
