unsure if thunderbird can do it via oauth also.

Yes. I've been able to use Thunderbird in that way with Gmail for some time. It redirects to Google and asks me to allow the application instead of getting a username and password. This of course is specific to Thunderbird though, and I can't remember if Seamonkey works the same way. That said, I do seem to recall Evolution redirecting to Google in much the same way, so it may still work also. Doesn't solve the text-based client issues, but if Alpine in fact has figured out a fix, that would in fact solve the problem there.

~Kyle

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