Thanks for the explanation. But I don't like the scroll to text fragments.
They're annoying, and have never been useful.

There seem to be only two ways that this feature is used:

1. The first sentence of a page is highlighted, which is completely
redundant and patronising. Yes Chrome, thank you for highlighting the very
first sentence. However could I cope without you.

2. A random sentence halfway through the page is highlighted. This is never
what I want: I always want to read the page so that I can understand the
sentence in context.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, 08:01 K. Moon, <km...@chromium.org> wrote:

> If the URL doesn't contain a scroll-to-text fragment, then this feature
> doesn't get invoked. The site that serves you the URL is responsible for
> deciding whether or not to include a scroll-to-text fragment.
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023, 11:59 AM Adam Semenenko <adam.semene...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. I only get usability issues related to
>> this feature in Chrome, which to me indicates it's a Chrome issue
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, 07:53 K. Moon, <km...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>
>>> If your complaint is about the URLs (and the resulting behavior), isn't
>>> that a site authoring issue, not a Chrome issue?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023, 10:25 AM Adam Semenenko <adam.semene...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry Thomas, I should have specified that I am using Android. From
>>>> what I can tell there's no way to disable this anti-feature on Android.
>>>>
>>>> Also, while the macOS option removes some distraction, Chrome still
>>>> pollutes the URL with unnecessary content that's awkward to remove. (I've
>>>> never wanted to share a URL with this 'jump to text' option.)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, 20:54 Thomas Steiner, <to...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> See https://web.dev/text-fragments/#disabling-text-fragments for
>>>>> disabling the feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 8:51 AM Anton Bershanskyi <
>>>>> bershans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Is it still not possible to disable this distraction yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chrome used to have an option to disable this feature, but the flag
>>>>>> was removed. It is possible to remove highlights with extensions. I 
>>>>>> found "Disable
>>>>>> Google Search Text Highlights"
>>>>>> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/disable-google-search-tex/ompocnnmgiaoieoanemepjflbokldhom>
>>>>>> on CWS, but never used it. It's open source (GitHub link on store page).
>>>>>> The source seems fine (albeit I would have written it with declarative
>>>>>> network rules for efficiency, but very few developers are familiar with
>>>>>> this API).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:26:18 AM UTC+3 Adam Semenenko wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it still not possible to disable this distraction yet? I found a
>>>>>>> wonderfully ironic example today - see attached screenshot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There seem to be only two ways that this feature is used:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. The first sentence of a page is highlighted, which is completely
>>>>>>> redundant and patronising. Yes Chrome, thank you for highlighting the 
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> first sentence. However could I cope without you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. A random sentence halfway through the page is highlighted. This
>>>>>>> is never what I want: I always want to read the page so that I can
>>>>>>> understand the sentence in context.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 May 2021, 06:40 Adam Semenenko, <adam.se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know if there's a consistent and easy way to disable this
>>>>>>>> yet? It's really distracting for me. When I google something and click 
>>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>>> result, I like consistent behaviour and to see the whole page from the
>>>>>>>> start. I feel disrupted when I'm randomly dropped into the middle of a 
>>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>> with a garish colour jumping out at me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 21:54, 'Grant Wang' via blink-dev <
>>>>>>>> blin...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s been roughly nine months since we first utilized Scroll To
>>>>>>>>> Text Fragment in featured snippets in Google Search. In that time, 
>>>>>>>>> we’ve
>>>>>>>>> seen that Scroll To Text Fragment links help us towards our goal to 
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> users the information they need.  In particular:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    1. We find that Scroll To Text Fragment links increase
>>>>>>>>>    engagement -- users are less likely to visit a page and then 
>>>>>>>>> quickly hit
>>>>>>>>>    the back button, because they can more readily understand how 
>>>>>>>>> relevant the
>>>>>>>>>    page is to their search after arriving at the page.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    2. In user surveys, we find that users prefer being scrolled
>>>>>>>>>    to the relevant section of a page that’s in a featured snippet. 
>>>>>>>>> Users who
>>>>>>>>>    were scrolled to the relevant section preferred the experience at 
>>>>>>>>> a rate of
>>>>>>>>>    2:1; even users who were not scrolled in the control group 
>>>>>>>>> preferred the
>>>>>>>>>    option of being scrolled to the relevant section at the same 2:1 
>>>>>>>>> rate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Besides their usage on Google Search, we’ve noticed scroll to text
>>>>>>>>> fragments links during our crawls of the web.  One of the best use 
>>>>>>>>> cases
>>>>>>>>> has been wikipedia citations.  For instance, citation 9
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cup_%28greyhounds%29#:~:text=%22How%20the%20Cup%20Was%20Won%22.%20Sandown%20Greyhounds.%20Retrieved%2017%20March%202021.>
>>>>>>>>> on this page:
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cup_(greyhounds) provides
>>>>>>>>> the detailed attribution to the fastest-ever time at the Melbourne 
>>>>>>>>> Cup.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Grant
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:24:40 PM UTC-8
>>>>>>>>> sligh...@chromium.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LGTM4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:17:49 PM UTC-8, Daniel
>>>>>>>>>> Bratell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LGTM3
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 12 December 2019 19:45:38 UTC+1, Chris Harrelson
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LGTM2
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:27 PM Yoav Weiss <yo...@yoav.ws>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LGTM1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 22:03 Nick Burris <nbu...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We feel that we're now in good shape for shipping. We have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressed all of the shipping blockers that I listed in my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous email,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the corresponding implementation changes have landed in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrome. We're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still continuing to make improvements to the spec, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality, and web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform tests but we consider the outstanding issues to be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minor and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't have an effect on interop, so we don't believe they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ship-blocking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have received positive signal on the feature from Safari,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you Maciej for the reply on webkit-dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2019-December/030996.html>!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that we actually do have feature detectability specified 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implemented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per my reply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2019-December/030998.html>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies this was not mentioned in the initial intent to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ship email, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developed a few emails down the line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4, Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much for the detailed feedback! Here's a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of blockers, with some comments inline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specification issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - #64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/64>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Prevent invocation from popup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - #66
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/66>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Clarify how scroll to fragment is performed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web platform test cases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Security restrictions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#should-allow-text-fragment>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Setting window.location.fragmentDirective has no effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - All combinations of optional parameters in text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Matching TextMatchChar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#textmatchchar>s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    and PercentEncodedChar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#percentencodedchar>s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    (in particular the syntactical characters ‘,’ and ‘-’) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including non-ASCII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Multiple matches in the page (currently we only test 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    or 1 match)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Cross-whitespace/node matching (i.e. context terms and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    match terms can be separated by whitespace and node 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boundaries)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Test matching hidden and shadow DOM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Test horizontal scroll into view
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 10:17:56 AM UTC-4, Frédéric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wang wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2019 15:52, Yoav Weiss wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This intent received a lot of feedback, but some of it more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant to the general Blink process in general than to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically. So, let me try to sum up where I believe things 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are and what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is and isn't blocking this intent from my perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While the original intent could have done a better job at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressing the outreach efforts done, and potentially a better 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job reaching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out to WebKit folks, that *should not block* the current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent. Official signals from other vendors would be most 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> welcome, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not block the intent on getting them. (The Blink process 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> establish the best ways to get feedback from other vendors in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timeframes. That discussion is beyond the scope of this intent)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A list of blockers for this intent from my perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Anne's security concern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/392#issuecomment-510855073>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    like something we should address in spec. Even if Chrome 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    don't consider this a blocking issue, assuming Mozilla 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does, that would get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    in their way if they wished to follow us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Daniel's feedback on augmenting the Privacy &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Security section with feedback from the Chrome security 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems valuable, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    I'd like to see it addressed before shipping.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forgot to note that David did address this in #62
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/62>, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe the security and privacy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#allow-text-fragment-directives>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section now details all of the feedback and work we've done 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Regarding Rego and Fréd's feedback on WPTs - I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    for us to reach agreement on which test cases should be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added beyond what's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    currently covered in order for the test suite to be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered complete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Rego/Fréd - do you have such a list of cases in mind? Once 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we reach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    agreement on what that list should be, we should block 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping until the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    test suite is complete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People developing the feature probably know better the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to test. That said, after checking a bit the spec and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like the features can be divided into the following 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Fragment directive, IDL interface and TreeWalker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     This is the core of the proposal, so it would probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a blocker if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     is not tested extensively. Exiting tests already cover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several cases, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I suspect more can be tested here (e.g. check the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual value
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     of window.location.fragmentDirective for different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases, check that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that window.location.fragmentDirective does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually expose the fragment directive string, for now it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just specified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for feature detectability (see #19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/19>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and spec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#feature-detectability>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     setting it has no effect, doing query for all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combinations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     mandatory/optional parameters, TextMatchChar, percent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encoding of special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     characters, non-ascii chars, more complex test pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with 0, 1 or more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     matches, with whitespace, with different locales, etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Security & Privacy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Apparently people have raised concerns about this so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems important to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     tests any mitigation or protection described in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spec, if any (and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     possible with the current WPT infrastructure).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (3) Navigating to a Text Fragment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     It seems that the idea of the proposal is to rely on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing concepts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     like Range/TreeWalker and APIs similar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window.find/scrollIntoView.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I think it would be good to have minimal tests checking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (scroll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     position actually changed, scroll alignment/behavior,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden DOM/CSS, etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     but this does not need to be exhaustive, since it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumed that these are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     already implemented, tested and inter-operable (See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment below though).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (4) Indicating The Text Match
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     The spec explicitly says it is UA-defined so it cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     tested. I guess one could write a minimal != reftest to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check that highlight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     actually happens but it would be very weak anyway, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     necessary. These will instead likely be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser-specific tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, I think this should be left as browser-specific; we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only want to specify the matching/scroll-into-view behavior and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the UA/browser how the specific text is actually indicated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I don't think my comment regarding BroadcastChannel is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blocker, I just believe it would be nice to avoid relying on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-interoperable APIs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though not a shipping blocker I definitely want to fix this,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spoke to some WPT experts and using WPT's Stash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://web-platform-tests.org/tools/wptserve/docs/stash.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like a viable option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides tests, I share Anne's concern on Mozilla repo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding lack of existing primitive for actually performing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scroll to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. I opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/66 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that purpose. Right now it's unclear to me if this is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well-specified and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested in the current proposal, and this may be considered a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blocker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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