Sorry for the slow reply. I agree that Stefan's post is great, but I'm not sure it's what we'd like to see in terms of design-time process here. In general, we want to see features built with developer involvement, which is why Explainers and Incubation are important. Post-hoc documentation is helpful, but not a replacement for showing our work and discussing potential design alternatives with end-users. Given that we're not going first here, I'm not going to block here, but for future work, know that this isn't the bar and isn't how our process works.
On TAG review, as Yoav says, please send an FYI so that when we do the next feature, the folks there have this context. Our process doesn't allow us to skip this. Best, Alex On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:17:47 AM UTC-7 Yoav Weiss wrote: > LGTM2 > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 2:41 PM 'Aaron Krajeski' via blink-dev < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks for your review Alex! >> >> > First, please use the Mozilla Standards Positions process to guage >> their temperature rather than links to bugs: >> >> Chris Lilley opened a bug for that in July, no response yet: >> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/841 >> >> > Next, not having an explainer is not great, and pointing to a >> Google-internal doc is not on. >> >> How about the blog I responded to Rego with, is it sufficient? >> https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/new-in-css-relative-colors/ >> > > I think Stefan's blog post is a great explainer + it shows developer > enthusiasm towards this! > > >> <https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/new-in-css-relative-colors/> >> >> > Lastly, please send this feature to the TAG as an FYI. There's no >> "pass" for new, large features like this. >> >> As an issue on github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues? It being an FYI, >> can I keep it brief or do I need to dig around for "User research", "Key >> pieces of existing multi-stakeholder review or discussion of this >> specification" from when the spec was originally written? >> > > Given that this is shipped in Safari, the TAG review is not a blocker > based on our process. So I think you can keep it brief. > > >> >> Thanks! >> Aaron >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 12:25 PM Alex Russell <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Aaron, thanks for the links. >>> >>> I'm goint to LGTM1 this on the condition you dot some i's and cross some >>> t's. >>> >>> First, please use the Mozilla Standards Positions process to guage their >>> temperature rather than links to bugs: >>> >>> https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ >>> >>> When Mozilla replies, please update the issue and post the reply to this >>> thread. >>> >>> Next, not having an explainer is not great, and pointing to a >>> Google-internal doc is not on. >>> >>> Lastly, please send this feature to the TAG as an FYI. There's no "pass" >>> for new, large features like this. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:34:31 AM UTC-7 Aaron Krajeski wrote: >>> >>>> That's not a public link, please could you make it public? >>>> >>>> That's not a great explainer actually (it's my own doc) these are >>>> better: >>>> https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2021/css-relative-colors/ >>>> https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/new-in-css-relative-colors/ >>>> >>>> Why no signals from Gecko? Have we filled a standards position request >>>> or do we know other information about Gecko supporting this feature? >>>> >>>> It's part of stable spec right now. Gecko has an implementation bug: >>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1701488 >>>> >>>> I guess some developers have asked about this feature right? Do we have >>>> any info regarding that? >>>> >>>> Yes! Just to name a few: >>>> https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2023/100daysof-day92/ >>>> https://12daysofweb.dev/2022/css-color-spaces-relative-color-syntax/ >>>> https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/new-in-css-relative-colors/ >>>> https://chriscoyier.net/2023/01/26/relative-color-syntax-plzzzzz/ >>>> "Both *Dave* <https://daverupert.com/2023/01/css-wishlist-2023/> and >>>> *Tyler* <https://cloudfour.com/thinks/tylers-css-wish-list-for-2023/> >>>> pointed >>>> to *the Relative Color Syntax* >>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-5/#relative-colors> on their 2023 CSS >>>> Wishlist." >>>> >>>> Thanks to [email protected] for finding these. >>>> >>>> Sorry for the incompleteness of my I2S thread and thank you for the >>>> follow up Rego! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Aaron >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 10:54 AM Manuel Rego Casasnovas < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 29/08/2023 16:17, Aaron Krajeski wrote: >>>>> > *Explainer: *go/rcs-chromium <http://go/rcs-chromium> >>>>> >>>>> That's not a public link, please could you make it public? >>>>> >>>>> > Risks >>>>> > >>>>> > Interoperability and Compatibility >>>>> > >>>>> > None >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > /Gecko/: No signal >>>>> >>>>> Why no signals from Gecko? Have we filled a standards position request >>>>> or do we know other information about Gecko supporting this feature? >>>>> >>>>> > /WebKit/: Shipped (https://caniuse.com/css-relative-colors >>>>> > <https://caniuse.com/css-relative-colors>) >>>>> > >>>>> > /Web developers/: No signals >>>>> >>>>> I guess some developers have asked about this feature right? 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