On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 3:09 PM 'Aaron Krajeski' via blink-dev < blink-dev@chromium.org> wrote:
> What will be the devtools experience without that support? Will it > somewhat work and treat the value as an opaque string, or will it be broken > because it's not recognized? > > The value becomes an opaque string, but the color picker does not appear. That seems reasonable enough to me to ship given Safari has already shipped and this is a focus of Interop 2022. Glad to hear work is progressing on first class DevTools support. LGTM2 to ship when the WPT pass rate is at (or near) 100% as planned. On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:08:50 PM UTC-4 Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > >> What will be the devtools experience without that support? Will it >> somewhat work and treat the value as an opaque string, or will it be broken >> because it's not recognized? >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 5:01 PM Aaron Krajeski <aar...@chromium.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Will the new DevTools support ship at the same time as that feature? >>> >>> Mostly likely not, though the dev tools team is hard at work on features >>> right now: >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PfWpeOmRIifRLYYLyAADUPXmanMcu1gK6Y9pzDsEx_U/edit?usp=sharing >>> >>> Is there a tracking bug for that? >>> >>> Yup! crbug.com/1073895 >>> >>> cc-ing Peter Müller for Dev Tools specific stuff. >>> >> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4 Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >>> >> Will the new DevTools support ship at the same time as that feature? Is >>>> there a tracking bug for that? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 7:09 AM Yoav Weiss <yoav...@chromium.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> LGTM1 >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:01 PM Aaron Krajeski <aar...@google.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think these 2 TAG reviews are related to this: >>>>>> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/488 >>>>>> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/526 >>>>>> >>>>>> Commented on both threads! For lab() and lch() there was no obvious >>>>>> delta, so I just pointed them at the draft spec. For color-mix there were >>>>>> some very small differences in input syntax, I highlighted these and >>>>>> pointed at the draft spec and tests. >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 12:00:58 PM UTC-4 >>>>>> yoav...@chromium.org wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC+2 Mike Taylor wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/25/22 10:58 AM, 'Aaron Krajeski' via blink-dev wrote: >>>>>>>> > Gecko: Shipped/Shipping >>>>>>>> > (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/color_value) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Is that the right link? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Mozilla hasn't published anything specific on implementing CSS >>>>>>>> color 4 >>>>>>>> > but their documentation now lists all of the functions defined >>>>>>>> within >>>>>>>> > it. That link has entries for lab, lch and interpolation, for >>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>> > The new functions are implemented in Firefox Nightly and that >>>>>>>> browser >>>>>>>> > is currently passing most of the tests on interop: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (Note that MDN documents many things that are not implemented in >>>>>>>> Firefox >>>>>>>> - it's not intended to be browser-specific). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://wpt.fyi/results/css/css-color?label=experimental&label=master&aligned >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 4:49 AM Yoav Weiss <yoav...@chromium.org> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:51:07 PM UTC+2 Aaron Krajeski >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> Contact emails >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> aar...@chromium.org, fs...@chromium.org, ccam...@chromium.org, >>>>>>>> fut...@chromium.org, juan...@chromium.org >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Explainer >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/color_value >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Specification >>>>>>>> >>> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/ >>>>>>>> >>> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-5/ >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Summary >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Several new features are being added to CSS Colors from CSS >>>>>>>> Color Module Level 4: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> 1. New color types: lab, Oklab, lch, Oklch >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> 2. color() function for specifying colors with predefined color >>>>>>>> spaces. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> 3. Ability to specify color spaces for animations and >>>>>>>> transitions. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> 4. Users can now specify color spaces for gradients. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Additionally the color-mix() function is being added from CSS >>>>>>>> Color Module Level 5. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Blink component >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Blink>CSS >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> TAG review >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think these 2 TAG reviews are related to this: >>>>>>> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/488 >>>>>>> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/526 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the API owners call, we thought we should notify the TAG >>>>>>> regarding the diff between these reviews and what you're planning to >>>>>>> ship >>>>>>> here. >>>>>>> Their feedback is not a blocker for this (as Safari already shipped >>>>>>> this), but it seems useful for them to be aware of all this colorspace >>>>>>> action. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> TAG review status >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Not applicable >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Risks >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Interoperability is one of the major motivations for >>>>>>>> implementing these new features, as "Color Spaces and Functions" is >>>>>>>> one of >>>>>>>> the categories emphasized in Interop 2022: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> https://web.dev/interop-2022/ >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Active work is taking place to keep all major browser vendors >>>>>>>> synchronized by collaborating on web platform tests and comparing >>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Gecko: Shipped/Shipping ( >>>>>>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/color_value) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at the links, I think they haven't shipped yet, but are >>>>>>> probably working on it. >>>>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1352757 and their >>>>>>> support for Interop 23 on this seems like a better signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> Is that the right link? >>>>>>>> >>> WebKit: Shipped/Shipping ( >>>>>>>> https://webkit.org/blog/6682/improving-color-on-the-web) >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> https://webkit.org/blog/10042/wide-gamut-color-in-css-with-display-p3/ >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Web developers: Strongly positive Several partners (Adobe/Figma >>>>>>>> for example) have expressed interest in the new color API. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Debuggability >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Dev-tools team is currently working on implementing an improved >>>>>>>> color picker, color space translation tool and others. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms >>>>>>>> (Windows, Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)? >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Yes >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests? >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Yes, all tests in wpt/css/css-color/ >>>>>>>> >>> As of this moment we pass 6594 out of 9702 (Firefox passes 5729 >>>>>>>> and Safari passes 7020), we intend to pass them all before shipping to >>>>>>>> stable. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Flag name >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> enable-experimental-web-platform-features >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Requires code in //chrome? >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> False >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Sample links >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> https://codepen.io/argyleink/pen/RwyOyeq >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> https://2021-hd-color-at-css-camp.netlify.app >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Estimated milestones >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> We intend to turn these features on in Canary and Dev as soon >>>>>>>> as we pass the remaining WPT tests and ship to stable for Chrome 110 in >>>>>>>> December. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Anticipated spec changes >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> The gamut mapping section of the spec ( >>>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/#gamut-mapping) is not included >>>>>>>> here, and will need changes or likely need to be dropped entirely as >>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>> a performance issue and is untested and unimplemented everywhere: >>>>>>>> >>> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7653 >>>>>>>> >>> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7610 >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> There are still some issues to be ironed out with resolving >>>>>>>> color-mix: >>>>>>>> >>> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7302 >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5147752829288448 >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> This intent message was generated by Chrome Platform Status. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to blink-dev+...@chromium.org. >>>> >>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAL5BFfX%3Dy%3DpZCkfPcsY_wi0mrzBHv5V5TOaWAPbrRo6kC-7M4w%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAL5BFfX%3Dy%3DpZCkfPcsY_wi0mrzBHv5V5TOaWAPbrRo6kC-7M4w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "blink-dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/a7881e14-4b8a-483c-abf0-24cab0691778n%40chromium.org > <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/a7881e14-4b8a-483c-abf0-24cab0691778n%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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