On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 8:50 AM Anne van Kesteren <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:22 PM Vivek Sekhar <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> This particular technique has been discussed before, but there's a
> >> flaw which wasn't mentioned in this email. The idea assumes that all
> >> end users can access the same websites and also that all end users
> >> visit similar websites. Neither of those is a given and as such end
> >> users that for one reason or another only end up visiting one or two
> >> websites that use a "pervasive payload" could be vulnerable to attack.
> >
> > Thanks for raising this. When you say "can access," are you referring to
> e.g. national governments or ISPs blocking access to large numbers of
> otherwise-popular sites? If so, would geography-specific lists of pervasive
> payloads mitigate this concern? If not, can you provide more details on the
> scenario you have in mind?
>
> That is part of the concern, but end users can be segmented in more
> ways than that. If an end user minority in a region doesn't visit the
> websites the end user majority visits, but a website they do visit
> uses a "pervasive payload", you have the same risk. The last time we
> discussed this in depth I don't think anyone came up with a solution
> that would solve this other than with variations on bundling
> "pervasive payloads". I'm rather surprised it's coming up again
> without accounting for these issues.
>

Hey Anne! :)

I agree that the concerns you raise are definitely something we'd need to
resolve before shipping this.
At the same time, this intent is for a short-lived experiment, aiming to
quantify the benefits of the feature, before investing efforts in resolving
those hard problems.


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