Sorry Charles, but that's not how it works. On 12/30/17, Charles Rivard <[email protected]> wrote: > Personally, if one developer burned me, I would not hold it against others. > > Also, and this is not in reply to any one poster but to everyone, I don't > feel that people who weren't around when all of this happened should comment > > without firsthand knowledge of what went on during the flying of the fur. > > > > > If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Lemm > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 4:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question > > Hi, > > I wasn't actually around when this thing with James North happened, and > though I don't think there is ever any reason for anyone to be nasty to > someone else as there is always a constructive way to go around things, . I > > do think however, that if a developer has taken pre-payment for something > they are making a commitment to deliver a product, I do however also > understand that stuff happens and release dates can get pushed forward, but > > from Sean's email it sounds like the release date was 5 years overdue, and I > > think that is unacceptable especially if that developer has taken payment > > from people in advance as that is a commitment from the developer between > two people to deliver a service or product. Even worse than this it sounds > > like the guy wasn't even keeping people updated on progress and was just > plain ignoring his paying customers , who just wanted the product they paid > > for. Again I don't condone people being nasty to Dev's, but I think if a > game that has been pre-paid for is 5 years overdue with no updates on > progress then I'm afraid as a developer you need to understand that you > will most definitely end up with very angry customers. I completely agree > with Justins point too, in that if the guy has gone off to program for the > sighted community that they would be a lot less forgiving than people from > the audio games community as on the whole the biggest proportion of people > > from the audio games community would actually put up with a 5 year delay on > > a game and still support the guy too, as we're here for good audio game > titles, whereas I'm sure there would be an uproar in the sighted community > if a developer took money for a game and was 5 years late on delivering > that game and with no updates . even more so that the developer decided to > > then give up on the project, not release the game but still keep everyone's > > money, since I'm pretty sure that’s illegal, and is also detrimental to > other audio game developers since it creates distrust between the end users > > and the developers. > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Shaun Everiss > Sent: 30 December 2017 21:00 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question > > <sigh> > > Have everyone forgotthe disaster which james north became? > > Now james north was a nice guy that decided after esp softworks had sold a > lot of arcade games that he wanted a change and sold the company to what > eventually became draconis. > > He should never had done that, up till then he was doing fine but wanted > more. > > So he created some new games under his company, he set a preorder for > everything, and a few people payed for his stuff. > > We waited and waited, and waited, the games past the release date. > > We asked him and asked him off and on and wandered at it. > > For 5 years the community waited, finaly those that had preordered started > to wander if they would ever get their games, some going as far as to ask > their banks for refunds. > > Sure there were probably some whiners but probably far less than there are > now. > > Between those times he never told us what was going on or what was really > going on. > > Maybe someones or a group of them became totally bad and assholish at him, > but to the outsider player that was hanging on he suddenly decided to flip > for no reason, burn out and rage quit the scene. > > Maybe something was going on, maybe people were nasty at him, but it had to > > be more than that, no news, nothing for ages. > > True a lot of devs do this but to be honest, from then on no one releases > stuff unless they are sure it will be out on that day. > > Users especially those that preorder games want their games. > > Thomas ward tried, he died!, no one will ever get their games now. > > I don't know if I would really want to be james north and come back. > > There are people that would really like to flame him out for those games we > > have never even gotten. > > He owes the community big. > > He never informed us, I guess if he is more open and lets us know what is > going on, then maybe. > > He lost all the trust though, I my self was never nasty with him, I asked > him once about stuff and he just flipped. > > We are better without him now. > > If he comes back, maybe we will be nice, maybe not. > > There are at least 4-5 unreleased games and some of them have been ordered > by several players, with no refunds or anything. > > Thats how I understand that history. > > > > > On 31/12/2017 5:02 a.m., Charles Rivard wrote: >> He made it very clear that he would not be producing games for impatient >> and nasty customers anymore. If you have contact info for him, contact >> him to see if he would give it another try. In short, though, lotsa luck. >> >> Some, but not all, blind and visually impaired gamers were far too >> hostile. >> >> >> If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!! >> >> From: Lisa Hayes >> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:03 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question >> >> josh any idea how to do this? I'd love it. >> >> From: Josh Kennedy >> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:01 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question >> >> If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to >> come back? >> >> >> Sent with AquaMail for Android >> http://www.aqua-mail.com >> >> On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good >> game writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business >> >> and the two pinball games. >> >> From: Michael >> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question >> >> I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven >> away from the blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly >> that’s pretty much what happened. ☹ >> >> I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. >> I’m puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle >> of a holiday week like this. Lol >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Lisa Hayes >> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question >> >> >> >> Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James >> did that can be played and never loose their interest value. >> >> >> >> From: Charles Rivard >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question >> >> >> >> I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release. >> >> However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a >> busy Holiday season, and even developers have home lives. How many good >> developers of good games have we lost due to customer impatience? As an >> example, I do wish that James North were still working on games for blind >> >> gamers. When they came out, they were of high quality and they were >> unique. >> >> >> >> >> If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!! >> >> >> >> From: Jesse Bollinger >> >> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question >> >> >> >> I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like >> >> in the cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go. >> This isn’t the right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what >> most expect. I think most people think when you give a date that means >> everything is good to go and will be released promptly at midnight. No one >> >> has patients. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind >> >> has lost so many developers over the years because people can't shut up >> and just let the developers get on with what they do! >> >> as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in >> stone! and then start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute >> past midnight on that date! >> >> *goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when >> it arrives* >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Charles Rivard >> Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question >> >> Why are people so dad blamed impatient? >> >> >> >> >> If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!! >> >> >> >> From: Bryan Peterson >> >> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question >> >> >> >> We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be >> somewhat later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when. >> He wants the entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll >> depend on when that’ll happen. >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Greg Wocher >> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question >> >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the >> kickstarter but I still have not heard anything about downloading the game >> >> today. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Greg Wocher >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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