On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Amir Taaki <zgen...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The only thing that's changed between now and this morning is: > > - Addition of Bitcoin Wallet for Android > - Randomisation of entries
Yes, because I reverted eight commits to it by you because they were clearly controversial, including the proprietary clients section and blockchain.info. You went on to add the randomization, again without a pull request and, as seen here, its somewhat controversial. > I actually got permission from everyone involved before making the page.If > you want to remove the page, then we should see a vote by: Luke originally authored the multiple clients page. It sounded like it could be useful and I made some recommendations for it too. I'm concerned that it's not working out that well. Thus "we should probably consider". Perhaps that came off as too strong. If I really pushing for that I'd submit it as a pull request. (and everyone, including the people you listed, could comment) I think the fact that we can just remove it if we can't agree on it is a useful point to the discussion. For the site to be a neutral resource it should be conservatively operated and if sometimes being neutral, safe, and conservative gets in the way of being complete then we should choose those other things over completeness. There are a great many other resources available, bitcoin.org will never contain all the relevant knowledge. > You're proposing to remove the page.You know, and I know and I know that you > know that nobody visits the Wiki. Crazy. I have considerable evidence to the contrary, in fact. The wiki is widely used and promoted as the primary community memory. I certainly didn't agree with that suggestion because I thought it wouldn't get seen. I found it agreeable because it would reflect the lower degree of consensus we apparently have about listing the page. > Have you tried the new clients? I've tried all 4, and they are all well > written. I've used multibit, armory, and electrum (though not for some time). I shed painted the electrum determinstic wallet stuff pretty extensively when it was first created, and I think the wordlist seed stuff was my suggestion. > Try the new version of Electrum, https://gitorious.org/electrum/electrum - > it's more featureful and secure than Bitcoin-Qt what with deterministic > wallets, brain-wallets, prioritising addresses, frozen addresses, offline > transactions - none of which Bitcoin-Qt has. I'd like to invite you to point your electrum client against a server I operate. I will then happily agree with you that it is more secure: because the bitcoin I rob from you will soothe my pain at the loss of this "debate". Sound like a deal? I think you're exaggerating the features there, and simultaneously underplaying the fact that clients doesn't actually participate in the bitcoin protocol, don't provide the security promises of bitcoin, and basically leave us with a centralized system (if thats all we had). It's a worthwhile part of the ecosystem, I agree. > MultiBit is also very good with QR integration and the ability for merchants > to quickly set themselves up. It's full of guiding help text, and has this > paradigm to allow people to work with keys. There has been QR integration in bitcoin-qt for some time. ::shrugs:: I don't really understand why you're arguing features here: Yes the other clients are great things. I never said they weren't. They are not, however, complete alternatives to the reference client yet. > There is absolutely no reason to remove this page unless you think > bitcoin.org is only for Bitcoin-Qt which is against the wishes of gavin, > sipa, jgarzik, and the long-term stated goal of bitcoin.org as a neutral > resource for the community. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I certainly don't think that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
