-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 (Note: Due to being very tired I have issued a correction to my post below so as to make sure I have not been misunderstood.)
odinn via bitcoin-dev: > Hello, > > Some background on this.... > > > A very long while ago I posted to the bitcoin-development mailing > list some ABIS concepts having to do with microdonations: > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2013-December/ 00 > > 3791.html > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/0 04 > > 049.html > > And an interesting post (which led me to explore BCN) via nullc: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765455 (posted 1 & 1/3 year > ago). (I realize the way I wrote the above paragraph made it sound like I posted the above post at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765455 but I just want to point out here that I did not; I meant to say that I read an interesting post which led me to explore BCN that was published by nullc.) > > > Anyway, some long while ago this discussion came up about > "Incentives to run full nodes," and the last post in the thread was > here: > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-June/0060 83 > > .html > > Since that time, some new developments have come to light which > the participants in that thread may find interesting; > > Please see in part, > > https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-wallet-1.0.8-release-introduces-mic ro > > - -donations/ > > This presents a working implementation in BCN; the concept as > implemented there is arguably viable in BTC as well. > > Please explore, play with, discuss, etc. > > Cheers, > > - O > > odinn: >> Potentially relevant... > >> "Incentivizing the running of full nodes" > >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-June/006 0 > >> 28 > > > .html > >> (However, the issue to which I referred here is now closed) > >> View whole thread: > >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-June/thr e > >> ad > > > .html#6028 > >> On 08/17/2015 02:44 PM, Chris Pacia via bitcoin-dev wrote: > >>> On Aug 17, 2015 5:29 PM, "Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev" >>> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote: From the >>> point of view of a >>>> wallet, it's not very secure to use Hearn-style SPV mode, and >>>> volunteers running full nodes doesn't help things. Sybil >>>> attacking the IP address space is pretty easy in comparison >>>> to aquiring hashing power sufficient to create false >>>> confirmations, so any attacker able to do the former will >>>> likely be running the full node you're connecting too >>>> anyway. Ultimately, Hearn-style SPV is a close approximation >>>> to just trusting anyone with a non-trivial amount of hashing >>>> power. (and getting that is surprisingly easy, e.g. w/ SPV >>>> mining) > >>> Can you explain how the spv node fails against an attacker with >>> a non-trivial amount of hash power where a full node doesn't? >>> To attack an spv wallet that is waiting for 6 or 10 >>> confirmations, you would not only need to Sybil them but also >>> summon a massive amount of hashing power to create a chain of >>> headers (while forgoing the opportunity to mine valid blocks >>> with that hash power). > >>> But could someone with that much hash power not Sybil a full >>> node and give them a chain for valid blocks (but on an orphan >>> fork)? The failure model doesn't seem specific to spv to me. > > > >>> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev >>> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > - -- http://abis.io ~ "a protocol concept to enable decentralization and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" https://keybase.io/odinn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWEM5PAAoJEGxwq/inSG8C48UH/A9mfVaP2h1nOD2po2yaDCLA xJuMIhrgo81q+WAbwFk4ac3bu3R/RzLLM7yA2IWDiPJrt6gCvEgIjzsHcG7+q5Bd s7dPEFnibPzpqXjnVh6FcfpuW/MCT3AXiSvnsKiLh99v+oz9g50fIpOMYuOTk/Sy 816xqKbDfKEHzkWzeOv5gV61AzNS7PDWjfRqRV/Om5+J/MZt/kgXJ8UqEVmYbLXM wIOWA1Vl4BZtQBiQpyDBjBUDhU0YboVXOMIbmx+ffDXKydcErLwFOCBp3XjVOMti y0B56kmPko5xKH4/n53WFLH32ILd7dZNtK4KzhmyPjeJ+yXdfFTmR3Ayo4wvP2s= =UvrH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
