Thanks Leo for the link to April Wensel's blog.
I wonder if she is 100% serious with her rant about the Grandma
thing but I found it pretty funny!
H.
On 04/30/2018 01:16 PM, Michael Love wrote:
hi Leo,
We currently have "Rudeness and ad hominem comments are not
acceptable" in the section on replying. This is nice and simple.
I think most of the people reading the guide will be first time
question-askers, but I'm glad we have the above bulletpoint so we can
say someone was breaking the site guidelines if they were rude.
I don't think we need to link to the anti-RTFM piece, because I don't
think I've ever seen that phrase used on Bioc support (or if I saw it,
it was a while ago and I forgot about it). If you want to incorporate
any of the positive suggestions from there to the section on replying
go for it.
Anyone should feel free to keep editing the Gdoc. I'll wait a week or
so and then do a PR to the site.
best,
Mike
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 3:30 PM, Tim Triche, Jr. <tim.tri...@gmail.com> wrote:
well, Hadley usually walks people through the steps required to 1) file a
bug reproducibly or 2) learn how to do the thing in question organically,
and his universe is doing OK, so N=1 in favor of that approach. Also a lot
of people helped me learning Perl (!) on Usenet (!!!) so yeah I'm old but
it seems like civility was once a little more common. Bioc-devel and
support.bioconductor.com are healthy communities, I would hope that nobody
minds this being spelled out explicitly.
I love Prof Ripley and he's never been anything but nice to me, still,
r-help's reputation took a beating from his insistence on self-reliance.
Several times when I thought I understood a library or process, I'd write
up an example and discover that what I believed to be true was not, in
fact, true -- perhaps an example was cordoned off with \{dontrun} or some
such, perhaps an upstream package broke unwritten assumptions, whatever.
My point is that it can be beneficial for the answerer as for the asker,
and perhaps if one does not have time to provide a working example in an
answer, then it might be better to let another person with sufficient time
go ahead and address that question.
JMHO, since you asked "everyone else".
Best,
--t
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Leonardo Collado Torres <lcoll...@jhu.edu>
wrote:
Hi Mike, Lori and everyone else,
I recently saw this tweet
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_aprilwensel_status_989248246878035972&d=DwICAg&c=eRAMFD45gAfqt84VtBcfhQ&r=BK7q3XeAvimeWdGbWY_wJYbW0WYiZvSXAJJKaaPhzWA&m=S5D7QD263pcF-j96zEV-sY0v_ulBJ_ZpI9JMXcbAEOI&s=-p8hKcFjc_9ArMb2xpIHzDt9ZrOm5Ojtf4XrEmnC5tw&e=
that links
to
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_compassionate-2Dcoding_its-2Dtime-2D&d=DwICAg&c=eRAMFD45gAfqt84VtBcfhQ&r=BK7q3XeAvimeWdGbWY_wJYbW0WYiZvSXAJJKaaPhzWA&m=S5D7QD263pcF-j96zEV-sY0v_ulBJ_ZpI9JMXcbAEOI&s=tqcYe_NWBZlekYGeTonoXkxgnYpjk14j_DFWw0yVcRk&e=
to-retire-rtfm-31acdfef654f#---0-162
First, I'm curious if you've read it and if you like it. Second, maybe
we could include some of it (or link to it) in the suggested changes
to the posting guide that Mike is working on.
Best,
Leo
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Shepherd, Lori
<lori.sheph...@roswellpark.org> wrote:
May I also suggested when you are satisfied with user feedback and
alterations to create a pull request for the website repository
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_Bioconductor_bioconductor.org&d=DwICAg&c=eRAMFD45gAfqt84VtBcfhQ&r=BK7q3XeAvimeWdGbWY_wJYbW0WYiZvSXAJJKaaPhzWA&m=S5D7QD263pcF-j96zEV-sY0v_ulBJ_ZpI9JMXcbAEOI&s=lDZRqONtpk4hTnHzIpBY0FHTUu2Y8-fCZ9-kechwRKI&e=
Lori Shepherd
Bioconductor Core Team
Roswell Park Cancer Institute
Department of Biostatistics & Bioinformatics
Elm & Carlton Streets
Buffalo, New York 14263
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To: bioc-devel
Subject: [Bioc-devel] Suggested edits to support site posting guide
dear all,
I've edited the text from the posting guide
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.bioconductor.org_help_support_posting-2Dguide_&d=DwICAg&c=eRAMFD45gAfqt84VtBcfhQ&r=BK7q3XeAvimeWdGbWY_wJYbW0WYiZvSXAJJKaaPhzWA&m=S5D7QD263pcF-j96zEV-sY0v_ulBJ_ZpI9JMXcbAEOI&s=4NMQpCXfazPlsIzz4y0aJDeOyaHgH83K6rGiirye0Ps&e=>
to update it a
bit.
For example, some of the text still referred to the mailing list
:
"Compose a new message with a new subject line".
Mostly, though, I wanted to emphasize posting all of their R code and
information about the experiment, which is often missing from support
site
posts. The self-contained example with data and code is rarely possible
because many Bioc users have large datasets that can't be shared.
Curious if this is useful or if others have suggestions. The following
link allows edits:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1baiBUYB8E02KMbaojjoo-2D&d=DwICAg&c=eRAMFD45gAfqt84VtBcfhQ&r=BK7q3XeAvimeWdGbWY_wJYbW0WYiZvSXAJJKaaPhzWA&m=S5D7QD263pcF-j96zEV-sY0v_ulBJ_ZpI9JMXcbAEOI&s=b6dghZFuzEt_8azoY3GVoQn3k6G9Emd8wXXj5KOr6kU&e=
tKV3Ctd9sA5lVCvwFIWquA/edit?usp=sharing
best,
Mike
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