----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Lawrence" <lawrence.mich...@gene.com>
> To: "Hervé Pagès" <hpa...@fredhutch.org>
> Cc: "Michael Lawrence" <lawrence.mich...@gene.com>, bioc-devel@r-project.org,
> "James Macdonald"
> <jmac...@u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Documentation of GenomicRanges::follow etc. very
> hard to find
>
> Great. I was just wondering whether we could make the job of the
> developer
> easier by having R find the methods, instead of needing to add
> aliases to
> every method man page.
>
I think this is a really good idea and would support it.
Dan
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Hervé Pagès <hpa...@fredhutch.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Philip makes a very good point. This is exactly the reason why,
> > a few months ago, I started to alias method man pages with the
> > symbol of the generic. For example I've done it for findOverlaps
> > and all the intra- and inter- range methods (shift, resize, flank,
> > range, reduce, etc...). So after loading the GenomicRanges
> > package, if you do ?reduce, you are presented the list of man pages
> > that document a "reduce" method (there is one in IRanges and one in
> > GenomicRanges) and you can select the one you want. If you do
> > ?findOverlaps after loading the GenomicAlignments package, you get
> > to choose between 3 man pages.
> >
> > I've not done this in a systematic way yet but this is the long
> > term plan. In the mean time, I just did it for the "precede",
> > "follow",
> > "nearest", "distance", and "distanceToNearest" in GenomicRanges.
> > This is in GenomicRanges 1.19.38 (BioC devel). More will follow...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > H.
> >
> >
> > On 02/18/2015 09:35 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Michael. In my opinion, the help pages for S4 methods
> >> are
> >> painfully obscure, and expecting anybody (let alone a newbie) to
> >> figure
> >> out
> >> that they need to do something like method?"follow,GenomicRanges,
> >> GenomicRanges" in order to get the help page for a method is a
> >> high hurdle
> >> indeed.
> >>
> >> In fact, I can't remember the last time I actually tried to find a
> >> help
> >> page for an S4 method. I much prefer traversing the methods tree
> >> using
> >> showMethods(), and tracking down the method that will dispatch on
> >> whatever
> >> object I have in hand, rather than trying to figure out what
> >> incredibly
> >> unintuitive combination of names, quotes, question marks (and the
> >> required
> >> order thereof) is required to get the help page.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Michael Lawrence <
> >> lawrence.mich...@gene.com
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> >> I guess this is really an argument for having _all_ method man
> >> pages be
> >>> aliased with the symbol of the generic. I wonder if R should just
> >>> be made
> >>> smarter and bring up a menu whenever help is requested on a
> >>> generic,
> >>> listing all of the available methods, with the default method as
> >>> the
> >>> default selection.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Philip Lijnzaad <
> >>> p.lijnz...@umcutrecht.nl
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 02/18/2015 05:13 PM, Martin Morgan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 02/18/2015 08:05 AM, Philip Lijnzaad wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>> looking up the documentation on functions like follow()
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> precede() is
> >>>>>> very hard, since they are only documented under the topic
> >>>>>> "nearest-methods",
> >>>>>> which currently (GenomicRanges package 1.18.4) can only
> >>>>>> be found
> >>>>>> using the
> >>>>>> ?? operator (and having found the name of the topic, most
> >>>>>> newbies
> >>>>>> are still
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> FWIW
> >>>>>
> >>>>> method?"follow<tab>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> shows
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ANY,SummarizedExperiment
> >>>>> GenomicRanges,GenomicRanges
> >>>>> GenomicRanges,missing
> >>>>> SummarizedExperiment,ANY
> >>>>> SummarizedExperiment,SummarizedExperiment
> >>>>> Ranges,RangesORmissing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> suggesting, e.g.,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> method?"follow,GenomicRanges,GenomicRanges"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Martin, thanks for the feedback. To be honest, your
> >>>>> solution
> >>>> involves
> >>>> more typing, and is not newbie-friendly since the
> >>>> newbie doesn't now anything about "methods". S/he simply types
> >>>> ?follow
> >>>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>> gets back an answer (from the IRanges docu),
> >>>> and subsequently thing "oh well, follow() doesn't know about
> >>>> strands,
> >>>> and
> >>>> then gets stuck). My request is simply to add the plain
> >>>> \alias{}es, i.e.
> >>>> just like we have for findOverlaps and the methods described in
> >>>> inter-range-methods.Rd. Or what would be the argument against
> >>>> that?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Philip
> >>>>
> >>>> --
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