Thanks guys!

As usual, you've taught me an invaluable lesson.

Regards,

Bob

On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 11:42 AM Evan McKinney <e...@evanm.nyc> wrote:

> Even with a CNAME record, the delv command will validate each step of the
> resolution. You can use the +vtrace option to see each validation and
> +mtrace to see each individual message.
> -Evan
>
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> Ondřej Surý wrote:
>
>
> DO flag is indication to “do DNSSEC”, it has no other meaning. You should
> be looking for AD flag.
>
> As for delv output - it prints out which names are validated and those
> that are not. I don’t see anything wrong here.
> --
> Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him)
>
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>
> On 1. 11. 2024, at 16:21, Bob McDonald <bmcdonal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> The host is www.irs.gov.
>
> A further question.
>
> DIG sets the DO flag even though the second and third entries in the CNAME
> chain are not signed. There's basically no indication that there's really
> any issue.
>
> DELV indicates the host as "fully validated" then flags the second entry
> in the CNAME chain as an "unsigned answer".
>
> Should there be some further checking/indications of the issue?
>
> There's also the issue of CNAME chaining which as I recall was at one time
> considered bad form. However, it's used extensively across the internet.
> (something like domain apex
> CNAMEs...)
>
> Here's the DIG and DELV output (recursive server is running bind 9.20.2 on
> a raspberrypi under freeBSD 14.1-p6):
>
> root@RaspberryPI-00:~ # dig www.irs.gov. +dnssec
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.20.2 <<>> www.irs.gov. +dnssec
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 48697
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 8, ADDITIONAL: 10
>
> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 1232
> ; COOKIE: 086e3ab5107beca9010000006724eafeedfc230db3b6dfaf (good)
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;www.irs.gov.                   IN      A
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> www.irs.gov.            300     IN      CNAME   www.irs.gov.edgekey.net.
> www.irs.gov.            300     IN      RRSIG   CNAME 8 3 300
> 20241115030055 20241101020055 49935 irs.gov.
> GTyXpYeUQsixCz75h7Y3iBy0WgZYE1zYCx0cwWHluJvE3gsB8PgNA20o
> MHvcFHdg/d8+V52k3L6vv+e3NBfnET624Tiq7z4QXyxqXQ1rs1IJ9/31
> Ll/NkNpoFF94YUiukBAEXu/V070gCReafdzOmgV6hXyoQ2WaIKXBsM+3
> d4VZnwIhgKuAJAfmkh4o9xrl/oAJT5uAoIntxLve03xcToYgik2RGLa5
> LyXDf4yLWJ5T/0DInsTldK0ca+/PS92M+w5z+oRBfi5+yCd5Ueo2cETX
> bDxpzkEXXvBAL5NhN9u62oK/ag7tg6c4rZceqnXfiWZSglE7IVjg9YA3 O+J82Q==
> www.irs.gov.edgekey.net. 300    IN      CNAME
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN     A       23.208.28.29
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN     A       23.208.28.37
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n0dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n3dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n2dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n5dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n4dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n1dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n6dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n7dscna.akamaiedge.net.
>
> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
> n0dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      AAAA    2600:1480:e800::c0
> n0dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       88.221.81.192
> n1dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.63.249.205
> n2dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.12
> n3dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.9
> n4dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.38
> n5dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.13
> n6dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.22
> n7dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.218.252.156
>
> ;; Query time: 425 msec
> ;; SERVER: ::1#53(::1) (UDP)
> ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 01 14:51:42 UTC 2024
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 803
>
>
> root@RaspberryPI-00:~ # delv www.irs.gov.
> ; fully validated
> www.irs.gov.            297     IN      CNAME   www.irs.gov.edgekey.net.
> www.irs.gov.            297     IN      RRSIG   CNAME 8 3 300
> 20241115030055 20241101020055 49935 irs.gov.
> GTyXpYeUQsixCz75h7Y3iBy0WgZYE1zYCx0cwWHluJvE3gsB8PgNA20o
> MHvcFHdg/d8+V52k3L6vv+e3NBfnET624Tiq7z4QXyxqXQ1rs1IJ9/31
> Ll/NkNpoFF94YUiukBAEXu/V070gCReafdzOmgV6hXyoQ2WaIKXBsM+3
> d4VZnwIhgKuAJAfmkh4o9xrl/oAJT5uAoIntxLve03xcToYgik2RGLa5
> LyXDf4yLWJ5T/0DInsTldK0ca+/PS92M+w5z+oRBfi5+yCd5Ueo2cETX
> bDxpzkEXXvBAL5NhN9u62oK/ag7tg6c4rZceqnXfiWZSglE7IVjg9YA3 O+J82Q==
>
> ; unsigned answer
> www.irs.gov.edgekey.net. 75     IN      CNAME
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN     A       23.208.28.6
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN     A       23.208.28.30
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
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> DO flag is indication to “do DNSSEC”, it has no other meaning. You should
> be looking for AD flag.
>
> As for delv output - it prints out which names are validated and those
> that are not. I don’t see anything wrong here.
> --
> Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him)
>
> My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not
> feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.
>
> On 1. 11. 2024, at 16:21, Bob McDonald <bmcdonal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> The host is www.irs.gov.
>
> A further question.
>
> DIG sets the DO flag even though the second and third entries in the CNAME
> chain are not signed. There's basically no indication that there's really
> any issue.
>
> DELV indicates the host as "fully validated" then flags the second entry
> in the CNAME chain as an "unsigned answer".
>
> Should there be some further checking/indications of the issue?
>
> There's also the issue of CNAME chaining which as I recall was at one time
> considered bad form. However, it's used extensively across the internet.
> (something like domain apex
> CNAMEs...)
>
> Here's the DIG and DELV output (recursive server is running bind 9.20.2 on
> a raspberrypi under freeBSD 14.1-p6):
>
> root@RaspberryPI-00:~ # dig www.irs.gov. +dnssec
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.20.2 <<>> www.irs.gov. +dnssec
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 48697
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 8, ADDITIONAL: 10
>
> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 1232
> ; COOKIE: 086e3ab5107beca9010000006724eafeedfc230db3b6dfaf (good)
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;www.irs.gov.                   IN      A
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> www.irs.gov.            300     IN      CNAME   www.irs.gov.edgekey.net.
> www.irs.gov.            300     IN      RRSIG   CNAME 8 3 300
> 20241115030055 20241101020055 49935 irs.gov.
> GTyXpYeUQsixCz75h7Y3iBy0WgZYE1zYCx0cwWHluJvE3gsB8PgNA20o
> MHvcFHdg/d8+V52k3L6vv+e3NBfnET624Tiq7z4QXyxqXQ1rs1IJ9/31
> Ll/NkNpoFF94YUiukBAEXu/V070gCReafdzOmgV6hXyoQ2WaIKXBsM+3
> d4VZnwIhgKuAJAfmkh4o9xrl/oAJT5uAoIntxLve03xcToYgik2RGLa5
> LyXDf4yLWJ5T/0DInsTldK0ca+/PS92M+w5z+oRBfi5+yCd5Ueo2cETX
> bDxpzkEXXvBAL5NhN9u62oK/ag7tg6c4rZceqnXfiWZSglE7IVjg9YA3 O+J82Q==
> www.irs.gov.edgekey.net. 300    IN      CNAME
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN     A       23.208.28.29
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN     A       23.208.28.37
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n0dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n3dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n2dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n5dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n4dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n1dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n6dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> dscna.akamaiedge.net.   4000    IN      NS      n7dscna.akamaiedge.net.
>
> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
> n0dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      AAAA    2600:1480:e800::c0
> n0dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       88.221.81.192
> n1dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.63.249.205
> n2dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.12
> n3dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.9
> n4dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.38
> n5dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.13
> n6dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.44.6.22
> n7dscna.akamaiedge.net. 4000    IN      A       23.218.252.156
>
> ;; Query time: 425 msec
> ;; SERVER: ::1#53(::1) (UDP)
> ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 01 14:51:42 UTC 2024
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 803
>
>
> root@RaspberryPI-00:~ # delv www.irs.gov.
> ; fully validated
> www.irs.gov.            297     IN      CNAME   www.irs.gov.edgekey.net.
> www.irs.gov.            297     IN      RRSIG   CNAME 8 3 300
> 20241115030055 20241101020055 49935 irs.gov.
> GTyXpYeUQsixCz75h7Y3iBy0WgZYE1zYCx0cwWHluJvE3gsB8PgNA20o
> MHvcFHdg/d8+V52k3L6vv+e3NBfnET624Tiq7z4QXyxqXQ1rs1IJ9/31
> Ll/NkNpoFF94YUiukBAEXu/V070gCReafdzOmgV6hXyoQ2WaIKXBsM+3
> d4VZnwIhgKuAJAfmkh4o9xrl/oAJT5uAoIntxLve03xcToYgik2RGLa5
> LyXDf4yLWJ5T/0DInsTldK0ca+/PS92M+w5z+oRBfi5+yCd5Ueo2cETX
> bDxpzkEXXvBAL5NhN9u62oK/ag7tg6c4rZceqnXfiWZSglE7IVjg9YA3 O+J82Q==
>
> ; unsigned answer
> www.irs.gov.edgekey.net. 75     IN      CNAME
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net.
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN     A       23.208.28.6
> e127382.dscna.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN     A       23.208.28.30
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
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