Hi Mark,
 >Given the message says "ran out of space” it indicates that a fixed buffer was
>too small.  The lookup also works with current versions of BIND so I would
>say the solution is to stop running EoL’d software and upgrade.

I have upgraded to 9.14.3 and that has solved the issue.

>There is also a ridiculous number of DNSKEYs and signatures. I suspect that
>the operators are forgetting to remove old keys at the end of the ZSK key
>roll.  Eventually, if they keep this up, they will exceed the DNS/TCP message 
>size
>limits at which point all lookups will fail.  At the moment almost all lookups
>from DNSSEC aware resolvers are being retried using TCP as the UDP response is
>bigger that almost all EDNS UDP buffers sizes in use.

I have sent this to the operators with a link to this post. 

Thanks,
Dennis



% dig dnskey capgeminioutsourcing.nl +dnssec
;; BADCOOKIE, retrying.
;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode.

; <<>> DiG 9.15.1+hotspot+add-prefetch+marka <<>> dnskey 
capgeminioutsourcing.nl +dnssec
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 32208
;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 32, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096
; COOKIE: 2a6e6fd5aa9f72ee316bd1b35d141cead6bdc8ea9ffcc457 (good)
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;capgeminioutsourcing.nl.    IN    DNSKEY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    257 3 5 
AwEAAdl6guTPSdcNju0yBB1Co9aK6eTZRBHVIS6r8jzaLwdbqz29/8SX 
wUJYpQTZkl6ymhJJoGNCuTetGBBinSw3syJHg+8rKN8zure+q/3l1XdF 
BqRpgV6C2Gwznxx/T28HcQhh14LvPTfV0KTO3UDF+Ajn4VbpxdHAqKdk 
hbL3hhzWPAxEvUtafWn4ciKtuwlPesIO45SMFwgS2q3sh62D3Fqcddsl 
S9se15IbziJxwYjrY+EsMVuEr0TQw6awv3vuiPQv9aYxQ54ofG51eeoO 
YpvcYn6BN0JTtfpCkBIu3mp74IkzJ5w4Tlxh37D5bqZuOKV+IuFsmURa x1AP9xynygM=
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    257 3 5 
AwEAAZri/HxDrwsM6/WwdiIvQ6o3ejG/uPr7xvYxWcFipjo2rDHPdTO8 
ogvwsxPa0/nNKzjUzFcfMfdP1dScXUgL6CDajOM8mdcKaOXWyhx4gdCW 
9W8rQLIVBVHnWkNZ9LTlgw6lsMvu/NkBFGNh+Y2KV6o2G0rh28Y5s2gh 
8aqha2OMQ3td6fDKjSKJwngMC1OdowKMPalliaeXZh4EMZXAaynrtzZ0 
rh57pUaiPXk3FssoUBLckWGeUypKEDM/88w+y1/mQiPBLtMS/xEo/ygD 
X1YtQmvT+7hr/FjlqLKHUTL4Ag4UyTbcwTgV5OYS+DUQONER7bWBRPHT ZV1k8y8oJ/s=
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    257 3 5 
AwEAAcaIcFtcMdX9gsRSHymm1UhX4FDyzQBN+gSvdZ3zcqJkPVEBeS0l 
VxAtq+CF5nr5lKwL4m+yx8lMFOJxraJWcCQJRYoSiW6cY/Di/AJQ9Fa3 
YwK/443/JfgR785tTwmOGF2ITxIZo68y/Iaa/yxjjO1DlcTO9yycguAm 
vU/nTxMIx/8710waKOWcDEvdg80EEPJiL/XiR3cH9b+O+VaYSRq9EatF 
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7mMDYPi0AO+cSDPUGIIapBVlBf2c6Jt0e8lCWj6JJBpsyaMZlYpxpcQq grxEQ0rXcCc=
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAdX7RZYcX8dYd2A502dN2GouKK7yLhbNcI7qXk0zl4EycG3HgDz+ 
PgjfLemaPPSOXJ2SfPG1huZuQ3VCTrZoew5UjSdnJkZZrjp7tTe+su9/ 
9csHOZMzpmlr4N6v8MxC4ldDWxVXWj5zur+MLzLtahChPQpftceA+HkY 4lQp5TN9
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAZ8RTy1CgiIk7VgjkqfNQJnEzqc1xN8SxZgm/f+V3zRvU+ScB76q 
BuSsaRhlvDbmctJ4x1QaPa/3Xo5ws7Gt80zw8LQtjh//d5gCF8BImzmq 
JLAlZ5osad7HS6/d+oDKh/kOB92h1dPjh0QOATdC4a4z3DVo6v7eodwb Lg4eaevN
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAdoG2gQ/uE4m+1Kk2A1Rae4d3Fyz75ru2qmfVDNc7MYOPIwsMuJo 
GxJ+cCEuI5jNyiOgLZmDX87Deuj5bW1pUleNzbZegUB77C4ho+r2JAM1 
7SM8jMemQAMHR7OWfgmJvxTGlD0OLObgMtHj1zkaIleqBIUxQVYIC/Bp lAVPSCzt
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAb7deXB4jJ8LP9SyoDIQgMIb06QHeCV7wODVLMvQIBKYIoyE0Z2M 
CkFp/aPDGgwQY65ZQm9g9SgHT+KBHVsguGfY6JxVus3lUXewJHtwqz9S 
bZRfu/P13mW4s/3BAdA4a+5QktNTvUapp9ROc2L/56bEhGDSAloGFo4P B8Wd92rx
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAdQTk0UbPeC366qpj0/KhyH0xnJ0o8BLuggBw0tvtcbh/Dm62fpy 
tlu8jzhQ1BxElYbt0jT4zceur+qObH1gJt6b+hnxyY2yJ+MjTI0p9bUM 
UMp+n66mT3Kqj3KBOUBgXPSU2sSRHpSXgmcQcNvNy7/FWwMtD0aErX1M FfKGMAKN
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAb/ahg1GVqXy97t5W+RI16XCu8/Jf1QfhE/oe2EQV6C2VOsrmcSK 
Fp6COdVcCIaYv3gNQs59lG737JnbopiJik4YlcxBgFZ61wkzuM87a3ab 
6ta1QVXxPixqMdP9hUiSNcr7f27eeW57kgjwmfFAwLhvx3lUtFNwlqCs KUA2xcaX
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAbxHYQ92nWwB48WdeuL12RtyHUi5/g6Ukn/Gvegp5gxF+XjkOdHs 
pBykxKf+PgNzenEJJNppdAOPlwGVgDNzvX63NjLF/3juVKLD2KzTxBm9 
4JJeaE0FnGmTyhAfklVK0GkseomuSkBdnWEyLwZm5FKZLAdARuwci8dM 4ir78gPF
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAdzVD6HLAePyWKbnLZaaQO3xI4KPJGbjmuw62GiU7YiPpE+bWI68 
nrAbW6iWQvxQJIDSY0akLRV12U3rhJfsWVdG1Qmt/XA5tKet7VaUyFmL 
woLE0a9jkyG8T7S3go5oa9wvDtAfvDNS0KJstPZGAtYRYKv5E5l+9oNI w19ObRZZ
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAZ5M8n3CSSK4zlwy7RJGbmeSDdIqrRV086TWjLw8hvf8mX2mBEiy 
P6K5qvLrAmAgffzu1PboiRo+QjZDXL4qruV1Sf/8jPFaGEkrjosgRtZn 
APG/ivSux07e/34BJa8BBKbjIt64KOJnzlh27WSghHzwhto+8KW2EAf2 E6qDiY6J
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAe9cpo9TeXC1XNsLmqStFRVK8tg3kJJQW3AQpY8RbQNsbPviMtgF 
6kWewilV8D++XQ7eMqpQrYCjw7yLT4oMSHNVs6Nks+1wa9+Yf9n3qw8s 
v/PzqJbQW72e97aZ9/WPMNnMjq668jnCqkyIsOt57tz7NInGF4gOuRLM MZeQnCEJ
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAdu3396Y+5EubdEIMHUuBFy7ibNlj/G7GJ8n49wCftc3PweIWrgW 
aZmYO8yfZ8XtLPrqtFlS8EQhn5zO/iJFHVW384NSTBNi4rTNylv0Hh1P 
NNP2JtaTtNgXwAJTH0t9eXkAI22A6YUqZshV6TnS27h7K0OJmWg952Yy AHzXpCnr
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAZ/HeV1xDkHcR3q3svuKErOLixNkQ1NST/6Av7KUBMhW+sVB5jKD 
zNVffgXMLA64U1tjliM7e6zPRWPUg9b1b2DiFikkrqBE9ytn2yWGYu/r 
4A2aY9UIhBM1l4clZ59XjA2FURsg1Fx/atpuxnaES0Z1hRvPiFATAGmA 3VPgUnDf
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    DNSKEY    256 3 5 
AwEAAdHd/PYp4YEA6eexFtVAULn80DBHTUXWJK8gjslVWc6lGum3P+NL 
J4Jd5ke/O4I2oEMrSUwDblpPDI2oH2tHzngAmUMM9C8X0QH78YMUjMs3 
OVdwHArXyCcWHROYdjbnAG+eeAMcaWDuP5p/AGvBdu0oqPOi9kHCsPA9 Wrwcep+9
capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 3378 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
HLDhnBLs/I/YS69xgcnuNuMAVXtkr0hA61UcgBxwnpI6q3dbY68oR+LX 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 13062 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
qOvnyNuKSKiP3HjEsYg2lYAp76k1T5Z+49yUNaBsJPZ53ZEIF0yuO87V 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 15507 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
riP1pFdA76ysIt2+yCxH1ShVUEcRc/QoZhWm0aAntSlbv4luc3cAfGQq 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 18372 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
c6w3t0RE0sNr6VFH0Ipbnp0sTHNt8xEPiZwYKeOC6Ood0icmJc9xGtEh 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 31287 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
QZoAGBB9nvW4LvADqPfreShwymwMuKpK6SzacDOW4r4a6W6MIbJ1b7HI 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 33000 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
VUskNBlWN08U3vZGrol2XIgYle+nwARYH42fX6+OTo3D7Le+e82T+nP5 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 39915 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
GZVf6sGG7eYyZ00hRQ3fYsADBEgXtH6ubDhFxA52oc18PcyFNgKUikY1 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 41178 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
d/Y2ADxjv7Lnd5UAHd704WzpQDXduILydo/adyImPCIzHER+gS0tWtDQ 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 42630 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
P1noL3Qadi0JIWZK+tPYghhronFO+1B1TIzrz0PIhAxKwqrbehQ03t4h 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 44806 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
MxPSu8gtPN/9dQY3VjEPE0jWxBYfujPolcNx4C/Lw5SLZPSymgNiRmqX 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 51837 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
vTn3i4ZNPZyo5EdSsB6s+1qG9zu548GvO/PBpYHm5kQiAnxM78vKNkap 
V76uRLG+6/kNMBeUjM/EXaMAnCE1esevWn2pvYabfaB8L7F82bpWfnuJ 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 53331 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
Kp7g8ydX15lqC8ZPGmLJN2J+dvVIiQjuphADy1fh4kfQXZeVUJOq9iMx 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 54871 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
r8rWPks3bNY7v6azDPqVV8xna14+MobD9JmW4YL7pOxPetnq+PxHudlO 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 56932 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
HwAtQ5P8Z3HbShg7W4K8ZfACHJHrXQpLzDvtibdXG/+hpcyWLy5xv9Pu 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 58758 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
BCxk4MGJg1Bvwji41snx6ZLMF5TxQTRvmX1F5Qu2dLsnHSzg6TbSJpdL 
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capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 171829    IN    RRSIG    DNSKEY 5 2 172800 
20190630182146 20190626173350 63123 capgeminioutsourcing.nl. 
mKEI8A9JjBK5edEfW1kWV6gcRk2yUbezmx3sCFGQceDOIPl8rQoTdcjN 
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h/uWkrTJL4+1eS2VY11B7qQvhs0dsLT1T4VolNI3CzFbqkk5Y3J51JDV GDY=

;; Query time: 0 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Thu Jun 27 11:33:30 AEST 2019
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 6144

%

> On 27 Jun 2019, at 11:17 am, Carl Byington via bind-users 
> <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 13:16 +0000, Dennis via bind-users wrote:
>> dig TXT cleanmail4.capgeminioutsourcing.nl @localhost
> 
> 
> dig TXT cleanmail4.capgeminioutsourcing.nl +nodnssec
> @ns1.capgeminioutsourcing.nl.
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 124
> 
> 
> dig TXT cleanmail4.capgeminioutsourcing.nl +dnssec
> @ns1.capgeminioutsourcing.nl.
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 4931
> 
> 
> Check your ability to receive fragmented ip packets.
> 
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux)
> 
> iEYEAREKAAYFAl0UGRIACgkQL6j7milTFsFh1gCfcny3HFKDxUH8p9bxF6vVeSZm
> 0rIAn3rUK0pCmDeQeStpakHQaldlvoN8
> =cOJV
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> 
> 
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