Just wanted to point out that this was a cowardly hit and run situation. Nice. "Suspect vehicle is a beige 4 door sedan with damage to the right corner of the rear bumper - unrelated to the Hit & Run. No driver description" Sounds like we need to put up some posters with a vehicle description around that area. I'll be looking out for that car. We do our best to stay out of crosswalks with our child in tow during bike trps, but of course a busy road that has deteriorating sides is intimidating. I don't blame parents for wanting to keep their children within what they think are safe boundaries.
--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Darryl Jordan <[email protected]> wrote: From: Darryl Jordan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Something needs to change at this intersection! To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:54 PM I have help lead 6th graders at Whitehorse Middle School across this intersection this week and the indicators for bicycle use do not exist, as I remember. There is a stop light button for pedestrian use but it is accessible at the cross walk. Which is why, I guess, the father was in the cross walk and not on the street. Also the intersection itself is kind of beat up. The northbound (east) side side of Dempsey need repair as the shoulder by the bar is graveled and there is a three inch jump from the sidewalk to the shoulder. There are a number of sign and light posts that add to visual clutter. Although what I'm proposing no way excuses the driver, but between the signs and the driver's car windshield pillar a bicycle was "lost" in the visual confusion. But more likely, the driver was looking left or ahead waiting for the traffic to clear before looking right while turning. Darryl --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Karl D. Kletzien <[email protected]> wrote: From: Karl D. Kletzien <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Something needs to change at this intersection! To: [email protected] Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:13 PM India, thank you for the response. So everybody understands, the intersection of Dempsey and Cottage Grove Road is part of the non-bike path section of the Lake Monona loop. It is part of the bike route for the loop and is used by numerous people who bike for recreational purposes. This father, however, must have been taking his children to school. The recent extension of the Capital City bike PATH from Dempsey to Cottage Grove Road has been great for people like me who live east of the lake loop. It is well used. Someday, that path will lead all the way to the Glacial Drumlin Trail in the village of Cottage Grove. However, that extension does not accommodate the numerous bicyclists who are riding around Lake Monona for recreational purposes or, apparently, biking their children to St. Dennis (that is my guess in regards to this incident). It seems like this father was not on the road but in the crosswalk. He thought the crosswalk was more safe. I believe he would have been more visible on the street. When you are a parent towing children, it's hard to recognize as much. The most difficult aspect of this intersection is that once Dempsey is south of Cottage Grove Road, it lacks curb/gutter/sidewalk. Painting bike lanes on an old road like this is unfamiliar to me. However, the time has come. When a bicycle death has occurred and a dire tragedy has been narrowly missed (father and two children) at the intersection, something needs to be done. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, India Rose Viola <[email protected]> wrote: > From: India Rose Viola <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Something needs to change at this intersection! > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:17 PM > I sent a reply email to Steve G. and > meant to hit "Reply All". I have pasted that email > below (with a few edits for clarification): > > Steve, > > Good point. It doesn't change what I think about the > previous email I sent- even though it is clearly less > relevant to this thread than I had planned. I also > would add that something needs to be done for all roads that > are designated bike routes but are not at all well marked, > and not just for the intersection in question- although > Cottage Grove and Dempsey would be a reasonable place to > start. > > -india > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Troy Thiel <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009 1:06 pm > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Something needs to change at this > intersection! > To: India Rose Viola <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > > > > India, Good points...plus many of the major bike path > crossings at > > lights do not have "walk" signage...the one I notice > most is the > > hotel/east side of the rimrock/nolan intersection.... > > > > > > > > Troy Thiel > > First Weber's Capitol and West Towne Offices > > Over 300 Properties and $60 Million Sold! > > 429 Gammon Place, Madison, WI 53719 > > cell: 347-9670 > > email: [email protected] > or [email protected] > > > website: TroyThiel.firstweber.com > > > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, India Rose Viola <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > From: India Rose Viola <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Something needs to change at > this intersection! > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected], > [email protected], > [email protected] > > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:03 PM > > > > > > When I am in a car I notice that many Madison bike > paths are somewhat > > obscured from view, look identical to sidewalks, or > just go under the > > radar of most drivers. > > > > As a cyclist, I've noticed a lack of signage and > street markings on > > streets that intersect the bike paths all around > Madison. Even if > > there is already a stop sign or yield sign aimed at > cyclists on the > > path, there should also be VERY VISIBLE signage that > alerts both > > directions of auto traffic that they are approaching a > bike path > > crossing- that cyclists may be present, crossing, > and/or turning onto > > the street to merge with traffic. I also think that > there should be > > robust marked crosswalks at each path/road > intersection, since as far > > as I can tell all of the city "bike" paths are > actually mixed-use and > > therefore the crossings are ped crossings as well. > > > > This goes for intersections that occur on property > that falls under UW > > jurisdiction as well, but I'm not certain who to CC > from UW about this. > > > > I think this could be one component of an effort to > convince folks > > that sharing the road necessitates being aware of who > else is on the road. > > > > -india > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Karl K <[email protected]> > > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009 12:33 pm > > Subject: [Bikies] Something needs to change at this > intersection! > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Last time, it was a fatal accident! This one > involves children. > > The > > > Dempsey/Cottage Grove Road intersection is on the > Lake Monona bike loop. > > > > > > http://www.cityofmadison.com/incidentReports/incidentDetail.cfm?id=10428 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bikies mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
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