The rules for joint works are somewhat esoteric, but the short answer is that any of the authors have the right to grant rights on behalf of all the authors because of the "joint" work nature.

Yours,

Joel

On 10/6/2023 9:19 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

Thanks, Joel.

That’s really helpful.

Pedantically, suppose there was an author on the old draft who is not an author on the new draft?

(I think we are into esoteric grounds here, but just wondering.)

A

*From:*Joel Halpern <j...@joelhalpern.com>
*Sent:* 06 October 2023 14:08
*To:* adr...@olddog.co.uk; 'Matthew Bocci (Nokia)' <matthew.bo...@nokia.com>; bess@ietf.org
*Cc:* draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-us...@ietf.org
*Subject:* Re: [bess] WG Adoption Poll for draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-uasge-16

Not speaking for the trust, but as someone who has worked in the rights pace for IETF for quite some time, if the authors update the rights grant to grant the needed rights (by replacing the boilerplate), then the new draft grants the needed rights.  They have legal ability to make such a change.  Sure, it is still the case that one can not work directly from the old draft.  The current (-17) draft appears to grant the rights, and it is within the authors remit to do so.

Yours,

Joel

On 10/6/2023 8:54 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

    Hi Matthew,

    I support this being a WG document.

    IANAL. I don’t understand the process by which an author who
    previously said “no derivative works” for an I-D is able to relax
    that constraint in a new revision. Maybe simply posting a new
    revision without the constraint is enough. Maybe the constraint on
    the old versions still applies. Would be neat to get an opinion
    from the Trust or IETF Counsel.

    Cheers,

    Adrian

    *From:*BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> <mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org>
    *On Behalf Of *Matthew Bocci (Nokia)
    *Sent:* 05 October 2023 11:45
    *To:* bess@ietf.org
    *Cc:* draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-us...@ietf.org
    *Subject:* [bess] WG Adoption Poll for
    draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-uasge-16

    WG

    This email starts a one-week WG adoption poll for
    draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-uasge-16 [1]

    A little bit of history: A previous version was adopted, completed
    WG last call, and publication requested as an Informational RFC.
    v15 of this draft was reviewed by the IESG and found to have a
    restrictive clause in the boilerplate. This has now been removed,
    but since that clause was inconsistent with the draft having been
    adopted as a WG document in the first place, we have been asked to
    go through the process again.

    Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS mailing
    list.

    This poll will close on Thursday 12^th October.

    Regards

    Matthew

    [1] draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-16 - SD-WAN edge nodes are
    commonly interconnected by multiple types of underlay networks
    owned and managed by different network providers.
    <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage/16/>



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