Hi Sue,

Two points:

1) What you are saying below and the draft that you mentioned below
(idr-remote-next-hop) is not relevant to baseline EVPN draft (soon to be
RFC 7432). 

2) At one point we were thinking of using this draft for evpn-overlay
draft (which is different from baseline evpn); however, we decided not to
use it and instead use RFC5512. That decision was made about a year ago.


Regards,
Ali

On 2/3/15, 3:12 AM, "Susan Hares" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ali:
>
>I would be glad to inform Yakov, Keyur and Pedro of these issues I
>perceive
>with the draft.  It would be delightful to see why they thought your
>structure was reasonable.
> 
>Yakov and Pedro have not been in active discussions regarding IDR next-hop
>mechanisms in the last year.  For 2014, Keyur and others on the IDR list
>have been discussing new next-hop drafts.  I suggest you consult the IDR
>mail list for these discussion regarding that the following draft.
>
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vandevelde-idr-remote-next-hop/
>
>At: 
>http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg13658.html  (my
>comments) 
>http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg13689.html  (Eric
>Rosen's) 
>
>
>Eric Rosen raises some very useful points on this specific draft, and the
>design of reliable next-hop mechanism.  It is Eric's comments and others
>that have caused me to start a conversation regarding this topic.
>
> Please note I lead this discussion on the EVPN with a pragmatic note.
>If
>the EVPN is deployed and implemented by 2 vendors (as we require for IDR
>WC
>LC of protocol standards), then it should be standard rather than sit on
>the
>shelf.  We can consider a revised BGP mechanism in the future, but it must
>be deemed more efficient or better scaling.
>
>Best wishes, 
>
>Sue 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: BESS [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ali Sajassi
>(sajassi)
>Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 2:52 AM
>To: Susan Hares; 'Russ White'; 'John E Drake'; 'Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)'
>Cc: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [bess] EVPN Draft Comments
>
>
>Sue,
>
>On 2/2/15, 9:25 PM, "Susan Hares" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Russ and John:
>>
>>I have concerns about the issues Russ has raised as well as other
>>concerns
>>regarding the EVPN.   As I mentioned at the last IETF's BESS meeting,
>>John
>>Scudder and I have been discussing the next-hop issues in BESS drafts
>>to see
>>if IDR could create better BGP mechanism for the future BESS drafts.   In
>>this review, it became clear that several of the mechanism in EVPN could
>>have been done in a simpler and more elegant way in BGP.    It was not
>>the
>>first EVPN specification that made this clear, but the review of
>>several drafts.
>
>If there are any specific suggestions, I¹d like to hear it. At the IETF
>BESS
>meeting, I believe I didn¹t hear anything specific.
>
>> 
>>
>>I am pragmatic.  It is auth-48. If the EVPN  is widely shipping and
>>deployed in networks, it is unlikely that the vendors or providers want
>>to change it at this point.  They have coded the EVPN solution.  My
>>agreement with the BESS chairs was this investigation was not to derail
>>their work.
>
>It should be noted that this draft was written in collaboration with our
>BGP
>colleagues: Yakov, Pedro, and Keyur right from the beginning. So, if there
>are any issues, I am sure not just me but these folks would also be
>interested in hearing them.
>
>Regards,
>Ali
>  
>>  
>>
>>If you are interested, I would appreciate a phone conversation with
>>both of you.  John Scudder indicated that John Drake would be the best
>>person within Juniper to discuss this point with.  Perhaps we can talk
>>about all of these issues.  Since it is a BGP mechanism, perhaps if we
>>create a more elegant BGP mechanism it could be considered as a "bis"
>>for EVPN drafts.  I suspect EVPN use is only going to grow, and better
>>BGP mechanisms usually mean more efficient and scalable code.
>>
>>Best wishes,
>>
>>Sue Hares
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: BESS [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Russ White
>>Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:12 PM
>>To: 'John E Drake'; 'Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)'
>>Cc: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: [bess] EVPN Draft Comments
>>
>>
>>> [JD]  What RFC 7432 actually says is:  "The MAC Address Length field
>>> is in bits, and it is set to 48.
>>> MAC address length values other than 48 bits are outside the scope of
>>> this document."  So, The MAC Address field is a variable length field
>>> whose length is currently set to 48.
>>
>>And the figure clearly shows the length at 6 octets only. I'm not
>>arguing the draft didn't _intend_ to make this a variable length field
>>-- I'm arguing the draft, as written, can easily be misinterpreted, and
>>could use clarification.
>>
>>> [JD]  Just because you don't like/understand it doesn't necessarily
>>> mean it's wrong.
>>
>>John -- you could have said, "I think it's elegant because..." -- or,
>>"I agree it's not perfect, but we chose this solution because..."
>>Instead, you decided to launch a personal attack, calling me
>>stupid/uneducated/ignorant/whatever. This is one of the things that
>>drives me absolutely nuts about working in the IETF -- we cannot hold
>>ourselves to an actual discussion, we have to find some way to make
>>claims about other people personally, no matter whether or not we think
>>they're true, etc.
>>The
>>next time someone says, "I can't figure out why we are losing
>>participation in the IETF," go back and reread your response.
>>
>>Now -- to return to the actual topic at hand -- I find the idea of
>>binding things together tightly, and then creating an "alias," rather
>>than creating a looser bind and map in the first place, is worse. That
>>might not fit what you think, but it's still something worth
>>mentioning.
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>Russ
>>
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