On 16/09/2011 23:43, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
"Rob" == Rob Dixon<rob.di...@gmx.com> writes:
Rob> No. This order of nastiness cannot be done in private. Your words are
crude
Rob> and brutal, and backed by no one here.
Rob> ON list.
[presumably private message made public deleted]
*NOW* you've violated a very fundamental rule of mailing list etiquette.
You should never ever bring someone's *private* email into a *public*
list without their permission, no matter how hurt you feel.
Whatever support you might have gotten from me regarding the issue
is now *gone*. Is that clear?
Methinks you should *now* do what I *must* do from time to time here...
... and take a break. please.
go away for a bit. chill out.
I hoped to hear about this from the less elite on the group.
Uri has said a very similar thing about me on list, and there was plenty
of opportunity there for you to express 'whatever support' you wanted.
My contravention of your 'fundamental rules' shouldn't stop you
expressing your thoughts, whether or not they support what you see as my
position.
Scattering asterisks and upper case about your post seems rather silly
to me. Certainly, "Is that clear?" is rhetorical and very rude, and it
all suggests that you should be taking your own advice here.
You and Uri are amongst those who see themselves as the elite of the
Perl community. All that either of you have shown me is that you are
rather fond of yourselves and like to see your opinions as lore.
I am no japh - that has become a label for anti-snobbery - I am a Perl
programmer who likes to understand his craft, perform it well, and pass
on what he knows to others. I am also grateful that I am able to teach
well, and can pass on my ideas together with the notion that there are
always alternative solutions that I have not come across.
Randal, from your posts here and your public history I worry that you
lack humility and require that your assertions be accepted as truth. Uri
seems to behave similarly, and both of you hide behind the defence (that
I believe you invented) that you attack not the person but their behaviour.
This being a First-World, Western, Capitalist list, I invite both you
(Randal) and Uri to exemplify the difference between a person and his
behaviour.
In the mean time, to Uri, I am sure the majority of us here would rather
you stopped flexing your experience muscles at us and started to help us
become the Perl programmers that we could be. It is embarrassing that
you promote yourself and your CPAN modules here above everything else
available, and if there is one regular poster to this list who is
insecure and identifies themselves with their achievements then it is you.
A final thought to Randal. I think you are right that I shouldn't have
publicized a private mail from Uri. In my defence, this is a list where
rules are different: we try incessantly to get people who post here to
edit the post they are replying to and add their response afterwards;
the majority will be used to doing the opposite in casual or business
mail. We are also often replied to personally - either by mistake or
because of ignorance - and force that reply back to the relevant thread
on this list.
That said, I am aware that some of my posts may have been out of order a
while ago, and I explained and apologised at the time. I hoped that
would be the end of it until Uri saw it as a hit on his unblemished record.
[My opinion] isn't just mine. and since i have been coding for 37
years, done training, review code for placements and more, my
opinion carries a little weight with those who know me. you may not
agree but that puts you on the side of not appreciating what code
quality means. i can see i won't be helping you with any perl jobs in
the future as that is an attitude i can't support.
In my experience, bigness in business is more likely to encourage egoes
than good programming.
Rob
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