On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 04:38, David Christensen <dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > On 04/24/2011 02:36 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: >> I also think it is a better idea to put someone who is acting in an >> abusive >> manner on manual moderation before actually banning them. > Good idea. Does the beginners@perl.org mailing list software have this > feature?
I should say that I don't seem to have read any of Shlomi's posts; I'm not sure if they were sent on the mailing list or maybe some strange setting -- and no, I have not set a filter on Shlomi ... definitely. :-) So, I'm writing with only the context provided by David in his reply... >> Well, online bullying is a problem, but I don't think that saying "Your >> Perl >> code sucks" or "Please don't post misleaing answers to people's Perl >> questions" would qualify as online bullying. ... > The point is this: some crimes hinge upon what's going on inside someone's > head. What may not qualify as "bullying" to you may qualify for someone > else. And, if that someone else files a complaint with the relevant law After reading this, what came to mind is the problem of sexual and power harassment in the workplace, and maybe extending to other types of prejudices but maybe that is a stretch? Often, the person being accused might start with, "I was just kidding" or "Hey! Both of us weren't taking it seriously!" but sometimes that isn't the case. I'm tempted to say that whether or not it is harassment should depend on how the object of the action felt... But another point is that if workplaces can't sort this problem out and neither do the law courts, then there is no real expectation for a Perl mailing list (of beginners, too! :-) ) would come up with a solution... >> I don't suggest turning beginners@perl.org into something voted and >> deomcratic >> like Slashdot.org, Stackoverflow.com or perlmonks.org . I think that >> voting >> things up (and especially down) would be demotivating, and would yield to Well, this is a public mailing list. Stackoverflow, etc. are web sites with some kind of user id/password control. I think the question we should ask is if such actions is detrimental to the list. Does it turn away people who are asking questions who may some day answer someone else's questions? Does it turn away people who maybe are newbies, but years later could be great Perl programmers if it weren't for one or two people stepping on them. Instead, they ended up being great Python/Ruby programmers...which would be good for these languages, though... Anyway, my "create another list" suggestion wasn't an idea based on *exclusion*. Having another list for newbies doesn't prevent this list from existing, for example. In any case, it's just an idea and if the powers-that-be don't take a bite, then it'll disappear back to where it came from. :-) An interesting story that perhaps a few of you not in Japan have heard (and sensationalized) about in Japan is the sexual harassment on trains. The solution for the train companies was to create a "women only" car (yes, the harassment was usually men --> women) near the conductor's seat. It didn't mean that women couldn't go to any of the other cars; and the remaining cars was sufficient for the number of male passengers. But the interesting thing was that in a few publicized incidents, a male-female couple would entrap an innocent male whereby the woman would play the victim and her companion would be the witness who "has never met the woman in his life". So, some men actually liked the idea of such a car because they could ride the train with maybe a less chance of being accused [yes, this statement is not quite true.]. Ray -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
