LS, as promised, i wrote up a beginners OO tutorial i split it into mulitple parts as i saw the tutorial growing to quite a size part 1 is now up and can be read in the tutorials section of http://japh.nu part 2 and followign will be up there shortly (and for those wondering, yes, i put the number '8' there on purpose) of course, any feed back is welcome regards, Jos Boumans