you should not need a c compiler for make. On windows, however, it is either nmake or dmake (I've heard of dmake, but never used it. it has always been nmake for me) You should use PPM, but if you need a module that needs a make on windows you can just substitute nmake for the word make in the installation instructions. enjoy, Steve Howard -----Original Message----- From: Kris Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DBI I'd like to try using the DBI interface for database access, but when I downloaded it from ActiveState, I fount that I had to have a make utility to get it installed. Does anyone know of a free make distribution for Win32 environments? It HAS to come in a compiled version, because right now I don't have a C or C++ compiler, and for various reasons I can't install one at this time. ___________________________________________ Kristopher Cook (mailto:\\[EMAIL PROTECTED]) e-Commerce Director Galyan's Trading Company (317) 532-0200 x239 (317) 532-0258 (fax)