Guys, I'm new to the group.subscribed after a couple of people pointed towards you guys on twitter...here's the thing: I need guidance to properly understand python -i like coding but have minimalistic knowledge of any particular language.have only studied c/c++ at college level and not in depth.so, any pointers for a starter from the passionate here? On 3 Nov 2011 16:30, <bangpypers-requ...@python.org> wrote:
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Re: [chennaipy 1126] [XPost][Slightly OT] Could you share > your experiences about Python Freelance programming, from a > programmer's perspective (Sidu Ponnappa) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:28:19 +0530 > From: Sidu Ponnappa <lorddae...@gmail.com> > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers@python.org> > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [chennaipy 1126] [XPost][Slightly OT] Could > you share your experiences about Python Freelance programming, from > a > programmer's perspective > Message-ID: > <CAHQkf6Shud_4xCzM=Dd-Hf2xx=fwqVpda1HqO+FBTqtjY+AG=a...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > We have a rather good work environment. But trying to convince > > freshers of this is close to impossible, as they have inflated ideas > > about what the IT industry is really like. > This is one of the reasons we only hire proven hackers from among > freshers - they already value things we do to. > > Otherwise, we prefer folks that have spent a year or two in Big IT and > are tired of the politics, back biting and overhead associated with > it. As importantly, they no longer find a big campus with 10k people > on it such a cool idea after having been stuck in one (and having > spent a couple of hours a day travelling to get there). > > TL;DR - you may actually want to target folks around you at the IT > park rather than freshers. They'll be more amenable to what you're > pitching to them. > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian > <rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Sidu Ponnappa <lorddae...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> Do you do your tests in Python, or whatever language the fresher > >>> knows? So far, we have not received a single resume mentioning Python. > >> Any object oriented language the candidate is comfortable with is fine > >> by us. Unit tests are, however, mandatory. TDD is a huge plus. > >> > >>> Question is, how much to pay? > >> Figure out who your competition in the hiring space is (this could be > >> very very different from your business competitors). Find out how much > >> they pay. Then do your best to pay more. For us, this means companies > >> like ThoughtWorks, Amazon and co. We try to pay salaries that are > >> close to these firms (though matching Amazon is still slightly beyond > >> us for now). > >> > >>> From the freshers point of view though, their friends making insane > >>> salaries at MNCs always make them dissatisfied. Any recommendations? > >> Yes - pay more than the MNCs or at least get close and compensate for > >> the delta with a brilliant work environment. Unfortunately, I have no > >> better answer than this. Folks typically evaluate a prospective > >> employer on salary, work environment (including how awesome > >> prospective colleagues are, how much they can learn, and how > >> transparent and honest the organisations is) and the work itself. > >> > >> There is no magic formula that allows you to hire better people while > >> paying significantly less than your competitors, but you can usually > >> swing it by being somewhere close on salary and doing better than them > >> on the last two parameters. Honestly, a small company that can't > >> trounce an MNC on work environment is doing something seriously wrong. > > > > We have a rather good work environment. But trying to convince > > freshers of this is close to impossible, as they have inflated ideas > > about what the IT industry is really like. > > > >> > >>> There is also the tug of "Bangalore". > >> Identify why this is the case and look to plug the gaps. If the > >> attractiveness lies in the lifestyle, then you may wish to open up a > >> branch in Bangalore. I should warn you though that on the hiring > >> front, things are no better here :) > > > > Thanks Sidu. All of this is really good advice. > > > > Regards > > Rajeev J Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > End of BangPypers Digest, Vol 51, Issue 7 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
