On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Peter Much wrote:

> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> aka Dan Langille  schrieb
> mit Datum Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:46:53 -0500 in m2n.bacula.users:
>
> Alright, Dan,
>   lets get realistic again.
>
> |> |You think there may be a bug.  Supplying details will help  
> others decide
> |> |whether or not they agree with you.
> |>
> |> Alright, Dan. Now one especially for You, and You decide:
> |>
> |> A problem we once had with one of our clients, was: when  
> extending the
> |> tape library to more than 15 meters, the robot got problems  
> grabbing
> |> the tapes, due to floor unevenness.
> |>
> |> Now, is this a bug?
> |
> |Umm, why are you doing this?  I'm trying to help you figure out a  
> bug and
> |you appear to be mocking me.
>
> No, sorry, this was more-or-less an answer which Your "for starters"
> provoked me to make. :-/
>
> It is true, I know Bacula only for 14 days now - but I am in the
> business for more than 20 years, and while I certainly do make
> mistakes, and certainly am thankful for critical feedback, I
> also do know what a "bug" is, what an "ambitioned usage pattern"
> is, what "works as designed" is and what a "complex coincidence of
> influences" is, and I normally do not discuss about making these
> differentiations in general anymore. Instead, I just do act upon the
> matters as they arise, in order to try and solve the problems.

FWIW, we've been in the industry roughly the same length of time.
>
> The specific matter which has lead to this discussion thread here,
> I have already tracked down, documented, and handed over to the
> "devel"-channel - and Kern seems to appreciate it.

Yes, I saw the post.

>
> Another matter of similar nature is currently on the way to be posted
> (at the moment I do verify if my remedy does really work).
>
> Both of these matters are not really dramatic, and both can easily
> be *workarounded* by fixing some values in the catalog (if one knows
> what to do) - but currently the focus goes onto fixing the code,
> which is the much better solution in any case.
>
> But for both of these matters I will certainly not discuss if they are
> bugs or not - because they are.
>
> And then there are some totally different things, which call into the
> realm of "ambitioned usage patterns": these are personal preferences
> which are more or less specific to me and my site.
>
> I give You an example.
>
> As I said before, I want to use the "Backup to disk to tape" strategy
> quite exclusively. This puts some additional covetousnesses onto the
> disk storage.
> For instance, if I cancel a backup in midflight, Bacula will keep that
> record in the database, and will keep the list of files which are  
> already
> saved from the cancelled job.
> And this makes perfect sense for *tape* backups - because you cannot
> remove that stuff from the tape anyway.
> But if I have such a piece on the *disk* storage, I do *not* want to
> have it copied from disk to tape!
> And the most simple and straightforward solution that I have found is
> to just delete these records from the database in the runBefore
> Option of the disk-to-tape job.


I understand what you are doing.  I cannot condone manual manipulation
of the database.  I hope you can see why.
>
> The point is: I am doing this setup once, and maybe after that it
> will run for a rather long time, while I take care of other
> businesses.
>
> There is no offense meant to You, Dan - it's just that I want to be
> taken seriously.

Well, there was offense.  I was treating the situation seriously and  
trying
to get more information which was rather unforthcoming.

To be taken seriously, you must treat others seriously.  I was asking
for very specific information as to what you were doing.  You didn't
want to discuss it.  Oh well.  It's now moot.


>
> |IIRC, and I apologise if I'm mistaken, earlier in this thread you  
> spoke of
> |manually adjusting the catalog to compensate for a migration  
> issue. If
> |you'd like to share details of this manual adjustment so we can  
> delve into
> |the code and find out where the migration is going wrong, great.
>
> This is already solved. (As I posted before, I was working on it
> until yesterday.)

Great.  Best wishes.

>
> best regards,
> PMc
>
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