Quotes below from Kern contradicting his response below
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern Sibbald
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] [Bacula-devel] Goodbye and thanks for all
> thefish
>
> Normally, I don't consider it my place to comment on a developer's parting
> words, and I don't disagree with most of what Robert has said, and there
> is
> no question that techically he is extremely brilliant, and that he has
> made a
> big contribution to Bacula, particularly in the Windows area.
>
> However, there are a few items where I feel he may have presented an
> incorrect
> interpretation that I would like to clarify. See below.
>
> On Saturday 28 April 2007 09:14, Robert Nelson wrote:
> > I have been involved in the Bacula project for a year now.
> >
> >
> >
> > The first 9 months I spent working 6-7 days a week, 8+ hours a day:
> >
> > porting Storage and the Director to Windows
> >
> > rewriting the installer
> >
> > redesigning the Windows build process and contributed
> > improvements to the Unix build
> >
> > fixing numerous Windows-specific as well as general bugs
> >
> > redesigning, simplifying and improving both the Windows and
> the
> > core code
> >
> > porting the regression tests to Windows
> >
> > migrating the Source Management from CVS to Subversion
> >
> >
> >
> > I followed all the coding conventions, reviewed every significant change
> > with Kern, and did everything possible to comply with all rules (both
> those
> > outlined in the Developer's Guide as well as those inferred from reading
> > between the lines in Kern's emails).
> >
> >
> >
> > I spent thousands of dollars putting together a test lab for all the
> tape
> > loader, tape drive and CD changer technologies.
> >
> >
> >
> > During the last eight weeks I've been working on reproducing and fixing
> a
> > tape drive on Windows bug and writing a new monitor application for
> Windows.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've watched the email lists for bugs that are specific to the new
> > components I've added as well as helping users with Windows specific
> install
> > problems.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also worked on a couple of other open source projects with which I'm
> > involved.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, and I caught up on some of my work that actually produces income.
> >
> >
> >
> > The one thing I didn't do was update the manual.
> >
> >
> >
> > As a result, my admin privileges for the Bacula project were removed and
> I
> > must submit all my changes as patches for review.
>
> Two points here: first, we are talking about a Source Forge "project
> manager"
> status. Recently so that Robert could complete the CVS -> SVN conversion
> project, I gave Robert project manager status for Bacula on Source Forge.
> I did the for a specific task, not as something permanent since there are
> already three people serving as "project manager" for Bacula.
>
> As I promised the Free Software Foundation Europe to do before June, I
> recently (as I mentioned on recent email) removed all "developers" who
> have
> not signed the FSFE FLA (with a few exceptions). While doing this, I put
> Robert back to standard developer status, which seemed to me totally
> unworthy
> of any special mention. As of this moment, Robert has full write access
> to
> the SVN as do all other developers.
>
> I have never asked Robert to submit all his changes as patches for review.
> I
> did explicitly ask him to sumit a patch to me so that we could review it
> for
> possible inclusion into 2.2.0. This is *exactly* the same status that all
> other developers have at this stage. I have asked them all to submit to
> me
> any new features, but they can continue to work on fixing bugs. This is
> completely normal, I have been doing the same thing for five years now.
>
> Just this morning, Robert committed one or two bug fixes without notifying
> me
> (which is perfectly fine with me), so I have a hard time understanding
> this
> complaint.
>
> Just so there is no confusion, I have said that I will be moving to a mode
> where I do review all patches in more detail, and I have said that certain
> developers already use such a system, and that it works well, at least for
> me. This is something I am currently considering and I have not imposed it
> on
> Robert or anyone else.
>
3c. A minority of the developers (there are thank God some), take full
responsibility for writing the code,
**** posting as patches so that I can review it as time permits, integrating
it at an appropriate time, ****
responding to my requests for tweaking it (name changes, ...),
document it in the code, document it in the manual (even though
their mother tongue is not English), test it, develop and commit
regression scripts, and answer in a timely fashion all bug reports --
even occassionally accepting additional bugs :-)
Item 3.c is a sustainable way of going forward with Bacula, and the
direction that the project will be taking. It is not in itself a
complete
solution to the lack of developers, but it is a *big* step forward.
In the future,
**** you will see me acting more as a gate keeper rather than simply
accepting all submissions, and developers will have slightly less freedom
for direct commits (changes in items 1 and 2). ****
Tightening the development requirements and acting as a gate keeper doesn't
particularly please me, but I see no other way of going forward.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've done my best to work with Kern and I thought everything was great
> until
> > the last week when he started threatening me with removing all the
> software
> > (Windows Server version) I'd just devoted the better part of the last
> year
> > working on.
>
> This is not at all what I have "threatened". I was talking about not
> officially building certain server binaries, and I long ago rejected that
> idea.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure what I've done to upset him, but I'm not prepared to work
> in
> > this environment.
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the nice things about Open Source is that if you don't like the
> rules
> > you can not only take your marbles and go home, you can also take the
> other
> > guy's marbles too.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll be looking into providing a supported and compatible version of the
> > software for Windows. Over time as the core code improves and diverges
> I'll
> > probably also release versions for the other platforms too.
>
> This will undoubtedly result in duplication of effort, but so be it.
>
> If you do modify the code and particularly in the case of any divergences,
> please remember to rename your binaries and remove all references to
> Bacula
> (tm) to avoid any confusion in user's minds with the Bacula project.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will also make sure that I pick up bug fixes from the Bacula project.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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