@Eylem Koca: I also think your way. I disagree with the idea of not having an Ubuntu button on the top panel. User Sashin proposed this as a solution: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/unity-shell/+spec/better-ubuntu-button-bfb(mockup here: https://sites.google.com/site/gandreoliva/hybridbutton )
Really I think its oversimplification of things. Not everyone wants an "elementary-style" OS GUI, really. Simply there is a limit in simplification of things. I simply don't understand the reason for oversimplification. People simply don't want fullscreen in every application they work. I remember that Unity was first created for space efficiency. But really, there is **a lot** of space now. Why hide important things like window controls and Ubuntu button? Things that are common for a lot of operating systems... 2011/8/26 Jo-Erlend Schinstad <joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> > Den 27. aug. 2011 05:02, skrev James Jenner: > > >> I agree with you in regards to people learning the behaviour of the >> application, people are not stupid and they will learn how to do certain >> activities. This is partly the building of the mental model and partly >> muscle memory. >> >> > I don't understand that. By moving the buttons to the corner, it is very > easy > to hit. Hiding the buttons do not in any way impact muscle memory. > > > However I disagree with your comment "since it is completely impossible to >> click those buttons when the mouse isn't hovering over them, there is >> absolutely no need to display them all the time". I don't agree because >> hidden options are hard for new users to learn. How do they learn about the >> hidden activities? How are they reminded how to do the hidden activities? A >> better comparison would be with keyboard shortcuts that are not advertised >> via menus. How do people learn about them and how do people get prompted to >> assist in recalling how to do those activities? Scroll bars are another good >> example. >> >> Well. How do people learn how to move windows? How do they learn how to > press enter in order to get a new line? There are things you need to learn > when using a computer. Assuming otherwise, is not constructive. People > learn these things because they use their computers. > > > Of course the actions for a window are generic to all platforms, and I >> would have to agree that a user would search for the controls. Though it's >> also possible that a user would not think to move the mouse over the border >> to try and find hidden controls, just like some feedback where people get >> confused by the changes in the scroll bars. I think while simplifying the >> User Interface is a good thing, I think over simplifying it to the point >> that a lot of the user interaction is hidden and not obvious is a bad thing. >> The less infrequent the interaction, the bigger the risk of a large cost to >> a user when they try to do an infrequent activity. Just because an >> interaction isn't frequent doesn't mean that hiding how you do that >> interaction is a good thing. >> >> You really think closing a window is an infrequent action? "When a window > is maximized, the buttons are hidden and revealed when you move the > mouse pointer to them". Lesson learned. You talk about over simplifying, > but I think you're complicating things. If you aren't able to learn that > the window controls are in the upper left corner, then you certainly won't > be able to learn how to move windows, open the lenses or mostly anything > else. Also, it is very important to remember that this kind of interaction > is very common on the web, and that it is the most common thing people > use computers for. > > A lot of these changes have a big impact to different groups of people. To >> me there should be some investigation of users who are novices to computers >> (none or virtually no experience with windows), experienced with windows on >> a daily basis but not 'power users', power users of windows. This is of >> course presuming that a lot of take-up of ubuntu is either people with low >> end hardware and/or not a lot of money or are from a windows background. >> >> > I assume you're talking about Windows. But why is that so important? > I was born in 1980 and when I grew up, we typed cd to switch directory, > del to delete files, etc. Well, most users don't interact with their > computers that way anymore. We cannot blindly do the same things > because that's how they were done in the early days of computing. Most > people have probably not even heard of Windows. We shouldn't try to be > different for the sake of being different, but we certainly should not > limit > ourselves from fear of being different either. > > > Jo-Erlend Schinstad > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : > https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelp<https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >
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