On 4 July 2010 10:50, Mark Shuttleworth <m...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > On 29/06/10 07:19, Conscious User wrote: >>> I think that makes two of two implementations that nicely illustrate the >>> concern that CSD is harmful for workspace consistency. >>> >> I have to agree on this one. Visual inconsistency is one of the oldest >> complaints against Songbird. >> > > I think there's a difference between cases where the application takes > all matter into its own hands, and cases where the application > implements CSD inside a desktop-wide framework. > > As you can see, ignoring CSD isn't stopping popular apps from embracing > elements of it - inconsistently. My view is that making CSD systemic > isn't going to worsen the situation, and likely makes it substantially > better. > > Songbird and Chrome are innovating because the desktop environments are > not. In part, the desktop environments are not innovating because (a) > Windows and MacOS are too entrenched, and (b) Linux folks can't agree on > a direction, and views are vociferous across the spectrum. > > The direction we have taken with Unity and the netbook interface will, I > hope, address some of the issues that have driven the unilateral > movement by Songbird, Chrome and others. In other words, by making the > window system / desktop environment layout more efficient in the way > those app developers care about, we reduce the pressure for them to do > things that are radically different, and hence inconsistent. > > What do they care about? > > Efficiency. Both Chrome and Songbird have tried to eliminate wasted > vertical space, in different ways. Songbird by putting the menu in the > window title bar, Chrome, by moving the menu to a much less vertically > intrusive form factor. Chrome has gone further, putting tabs into the > titlebar area too. > > In 10.10, we'll take a big step forward in the netbook edition, by > moving the menu into the top panel and combining it with the titlebar > for maximised windows. The next challenge will be for us to be smarter > about tabs, so I think we'll do a bunch of exploration work for 11.04 in > that regard. If we can *nail* those things, we'll have the most > efficient use of vertical space, and can reasonably expect Chrome and > Songbird to embrace it. > > Mark > >
The mock-ups for Firefox 4 seem also to be using CSD. That's the only way I can think of to get that menu up there in the title bar. <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/4.0_Linux_Theme_Mockups> Cheers, -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
