> Well, I don't think that's the question at all. We already have a > near-optimal solution to this in sticking the old-style notification > area alongside the new indicator applet. An optimal one would be some > kind of indicator that gave good UX and integrated nicely with the > indicator applet.
> The question is more, "how can we fix this to provide the best user > experience?", rather than than "how many people will be affected by us > implementing a bad user experience (moving to a window)?" We should be > trying to improve the situation, not make it worse for the people that > do use Wine and Java apps. Wait, I think you and Jeremy are missing my point. I'm not proposing a separate window or a "Wine indicator" as an attempt to get rid of the notification area at all costs, even when it's the best possible solution. It's quite the opposite: I do *not* believe it's the best possible solution and I proposed the previous mockup because I think it can be an *improvement* over it. My previous post referred to the fact that the inability to patch Wine applications makes impossible to have an optimal solution (using libappindicator), so we *will* end up with a sub-optimal one. That does not mean that *any* sub-optimal solution, like keeping the current notification area, is equally acceptable. Some sub-optimal solutions are better than others. How? I'm not entirely sure and it's open for discussion. But here's a small random example: one of the problems with the notification area is that there is not a single, uniform system for keyboard shortcuts. With indicators, you can have a single shortcut for accessing the indicator-applet menu and navigate with arrows from there. Now, pushing wine icons inside a "Wine indicator" wouldn't completely get rid of the problem, but would allow us to have some sort of standard like: inside the Wine indicator, we can navigate through the tray icons there with the arrow keys and key Z simulates left-click, key X simulates middle-click and key C simulates right-click. Not the best possible example in the world, I know, but hopefully it illustrates my point. :) _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
